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Post by michael on Sept 10, 2020 14:54:27 GMT
Well Michael apparently your opponents are just way better than ours And yes, of course we're spending 8 points on 2 Koldun Lords. That solo is da bomb. I play against some cutthroat SOBs; it’s true. My local players, even the casuals, generally only play steamroller. The casuals don’t play on the clock, while the tournament crowd does. That’s really the only difference between most of the games I see played locally. But for real. Anybody who has any idea how to take this list apart can do it very easily. I honestly don’t see which themes this is good at fighting, either. Jaws of the Wolf? The Skorne Immortals theme? What’s the coverage? I know from firsthand experience that it can’t fight ranged-heavy themes. It can’t fight any anti-tough themes. It can’t fight high-DEF themes. It actually does a pretty bad job against high-ARM themes too, because generally there aren’t enough ARM debuffs (you only get two chances a turn, max, ever) to go around, and it’s usually possible for a good opponent to layer defenses so you run out of Reaver charges before they run out of heavies. It has zero control elements (besides AD Reavers, if that counts) so it doesn’t function as a control list. I have had no success fighting against control lists, either. Reavers who can’t charge are...less than optimal. But I am beating the dead horse, again. I’m not trying to be obtuse and negative; I just have had extremely negative experiences with the theme.
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Post by P'tit Nico on Sept 10, 2020 15:07:01 GMT
Well Michael apparently your opponents are just way better than ours And yes, of course we're spending 8 points on 2 Koldun Lords. That solo is da bomb. I play against some cutthroat SOBs; it’s true. My local players, even the casuals, generally only play steamroller. The casuals don’t play on the clock, while the tournament crowd does. That’s really the only difference between most of the games I see played locally. Well apparently you can't spot sarcasm I know from firsthand experience that it can’t fight ranged-heavy themes. And I know form firsthand experience that it can, with the proper casters (Zerkova1, Old Witch2, Vlad2). I’m not trying to be obtuse and negative; I just have had extremely negative experiences with the theme. Honestly, it looks like you are. I understand that you have negative experience with the theme, but you can't just ignore every other people in this thread who feel like Wolves is our best "only-Khador" theme.
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Post by michael on Sept 10, 2020 15:26:19 GMT
Honestly, it looks like you are. I understand that you have negative experience with the theme, but you can't just ignore every other people in this thread who feel like Wolves is our best "only-Khador" theme. No one has yet explained WHY they have that opinion. Please provide some supporting documentation instead of cheerleading.
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Post by P'tit Nico on Sept 10, 2020 15:35:27 GMT
Honestly, it looks like you are. I understand that you have negative experience with the theme, but you can't just ignore every other people in this thread who feel like Wolves is our best "only-Khador" theme. No one has yet explained WHY they have that opinion. Please provide some supporting documentation instead of cheerleading. You haven't provided documentation supporting that it can't fight anything either. First and obvious reason: our other themes are bad. More detailed: Reavers are relatively cheap, fast, hit well and hard. Greylords provide lots of tools to help them. Apparition is crazy strong, opens up a lot of options. Lots of tools mean you can adapt to many situations. Magic weapons everywhere. Recursion and RFP (yes, Bonds of Woe is a good spell). Debuffs. Anti-healing. I'm not gonna list all the tools. And then you add a caster that can help them (protect them, extend their threat range, help them hit better/harder, etc), and it just... works.
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Post by michael on Sept 10, 2020 15:39:59 GMT
No one has yet explained WHY they have that opinion. Please provide some supporting documentation instead of cheerleading. You haven't provided documentation supporting that it can't fight anything either. First and obvious reason: our other themes are bad. More detailed: Reavers are relatively cheap, fast, hit well and hard. Greylords provide lots of tools to help them. Apparition is crazy strong, opens up a lot of options. Lots of tools mean you can adapt to many situations. Magic weapons everywhere. Recursion and RFP (yes, Bonds of Woe is a good spell). Debuffs. Anti-healing. I'm not gonna list all the tools. And then you add a caster that can help them (protect them, extend their threat range, help them hit better/harder, etc), and it just... works. Let’s try this instead. “I have played roughly ____ games with this theme since the Oblivion theme changes. I have had success with Wolves against the theme(s) _____________ because the theme was able to do ____________ . The specific in-game situations when the theme performed well are _____________ .”
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Post by Havock on Sept 11, 2020 6:55:22 GMT
It's still a very meta thing. For all its strengths Wolves is still a melee lust with single wound victim stat dudes. It still has plenty of bad matchups and is fairly one-dimensional, decent players can use that against you.
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Post by P'tit Nico on Sept 11, 2020 7:39:11 GMT
Let’s try this instead. “I have played roughly ____ games with this theme since the Oblivion theme changes. I have had success with Wolves against the theme(s) _____________ because the theme was able to do ____________ . The specific in-game situations when the theme performed well are _____________ .” Sorry but I actually have better things to do than trying to convince you. Oh, and I even forgot the Void Archon. It is in itself a sufficient reason for Wolves to be our best theme.
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