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Post by AdeptusB on Aug 1, 2020 16:08:12 GMT
I'm gearing up to try Vlad3 in Warriors of the Old Faith. No one in my small gaming group plays PoM, so I have zero experience with them, and I'm not sure which of their 'jacks I should take. Browsing their stats, I'm leaning toward either a Sanctifier (for its soul tech and anti-Incorporeal) or a Guardian (Arc Node, high damage 2" weapon, and the flags look kewl). Are there others I should consider? Any synergies I'm missing? Any advice is appreciated.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Aug 1, 2020 16:11:58 GMT
The Avatar of Menoth. Hey, if no-one in your group plays Protectorate, then no-one will realise that you're cheating!
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Post by sorokin on Aug 1, 2020 16:48:02 GMT
The most competitive choice is the Judicator.
Infernal Machine is great on it, as is hand of fate. You get to play with the second best colossal in the game, there's not much else to ask for. I have seen some lists who also included a single dervish in the BG, i presume as a scoring piece in scenarios that punish single warjack lists. Also enliven from Vassals is great with parry, and you generally want double vassals in your list so Vlad can be greedy with his focus.
Also i dont think arcnodes are something vlad wants. You generally cast your two upkeeps turn 1 and upkeep them. His nuke you will never reasonably cast and the rest of his spells are RNG SELF.
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Post by Havock on Aug 1, 2020 18:23:50 GMT
The Purifier is cute too, it can sprint into something and set it on fire.
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Post by michael on Aug 1, 2020 19:44:18 GMT
The answer is: at least one Choir of Menoth and two Vassals of Menoth. The rest kind of doesn't matter after that.
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Post by sorokin on Aug 1, 2020 21:57:55 GMT
The Purifier is cute too, it can sprint into something and set it on fire. Right. Overtake and Sidestep on feat turn is cute too.
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Post by auraco on Aug 1, 2020 22:30:13 GMT
The judicator, over anything khador can field any day.
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Post by Havock on Aug 1, 2020 23:43:36 GMT
The Purifier is cute too, it can sprint into something and set it on fire. Right. Overtake and Sidestep on feat turn is cute too. It's a Dervish with a BBQ tacked on.
What's not to like?
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Post by sorokin on Aug 2, 2020 13:55:03 GMT
Right. Overtake and Sidestep on feat turn is cute too. It's a Dervish with a BBQ tacked on.
What's not to like?
Well, no parry for one. Also taking a dervish over a purifier shaves a point which might be relevant occasionally. But yeah, those don't sounds like very strong arguments because they aren't. It just depends on what you want out of the jack or how your list shapes up.
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Post by Havock on Aug 2, 2020 16:45:37 GMT
Well, you get parry on feat turn.
It's not amazing but neither is the Dervish really; both are mostly just fire and forget pieces under IM. The Purifier plays nicelt with the Menite Archons you are probably bringing but yeah, as a cheap cruise missile.
Purely from a brainstorming perspective: The Vigilant may be decent as well; it can give cover to things that are in need of it and under feat you can shove a relatively hard to kill model into a zone or near a flag.
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Post by mydnight on Aug 3, 2020 23:01:46 GMT
I think I'd rather have a khador beserker that benefits from the choir than either the purifier or dervish.
The judicator seems the only PoM jack that outshines the khador options.
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Post by michael on Aug 3, 2020 23:30:55 GMT
I think I'd rather have a khador beserker that benefits from the choir than either the purifier or dervish. The judicator seems the only PoM jack that outshines the khador options. You know, I gave serious thought to sarcastically recommending the Berserker. I never thought anyone would actually recommend it. Don’t take the Berserker. The Dervish is 1 point cheaper, has only one less damage box, and exchanges 2 ARM for 2 DEF compared to the Berserker. Additionally, it is faster, has Side Step, Parry, and doesn't blow itself up when you actually use it like a warjack.Let me repeat that for the folks in the back: The player using a Dervish is not actively penalized for using the core warjack mechanic — boosting — unlike someone using a Berserker.Just... Just don’t. Friends don’t let friends use Berserkers.
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Post by michael on Aug 3, 2020 23:39:04 GMT
And as a follow up:
Seriously. If nothing else, take a Crusader over a Berserker. You trade Berserk and Unstable for more ARM, a better P+S main weapon, and more boxes.
And no Unstable.
Unstable is amazingly awful. Don’t.
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Post by mydnight on Aug 4, 2020 2:46:49 GMT
A beserker only needs 1 focus to charge. With the choir, he has two initials that hit at power 18 each. With infernal machine and Vlad3's feat he can side step AND he has berserk and would be perfect for taking out the heaps of archons around. If he's going to die from a counter attack anyway, then you may want to commit him and give him the focus. Heck I think even the explosion damage role is boosted by the choir. But really assuming you don't allocate any focus to him (just as you don't allocate any focus to a dervish) I don't see what's the problem. I've played him with Vlad3 (with a judicator) and with Jakes 2 (Flames) to great success as a low resource heavy you toss in harms way for trading. I would never want a purifier or a dervish in its stead for this role. If the opponent ignores him and allows him to survive to the late game, you have a pwr18 heavy that can get work done. Of course, he's not the kind of jack you just toss into any list, but Vlad3 wotof makes a lot of sense IMO.
The crusader is also a great discount jack and a better comparisson than a dervish, but sometimes you just don't have 2 points.
I am also curious about sprint and the berserker: can you sprint and then blow up? Because that would be good with the infernal machine speed boost, and the choir damage boost.
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Post by Havock on Aug 4, 2020 5:44:23 GMT
Not so much a budget choice but the Indictor might be pretty decent; It's fairly tough and It has an ability that synergizes well with sidestep and sprint.
It forces your opponent to keep their caster (well, most of them) well away from it or screen very aggressively. Tack on Enliven and the thing can become a huge pain in the butt.
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