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Post by Soul Samurai on Jul 8, 2020 7:16:19 GMT
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Cyel
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Post by Cyel on Jul 8, 2020 9:24:25 GMT
There was a PP keynote yesterday and this set was one of the products described.
The keynote didn't really catch my interest, though. PP board games are far to expensive for what they offer so I skipped those. And no grand-reboot-mk4 in sight, unfortunately.
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Post by shmeep on Jul 8, 2020 11:58:44 GMT
I'm gonna be frank, fellas, this is one of the few times PP released something that i legitimately looks ugly. Boomie3's sculpt looks good- except for the shoulder pads which I think look stupid as shit. And why oh why would we need another boomie? Shivers looks like crap. What is he even supposed to be? He barely looks like a gremlin, and he can't be a gobber either. Black Bella doesn't look great, but the pose makes it worse - I think she'd look passable in the static pose. Again think it's a waste to double down on RQ character models and not add new stuff to the mix. Yssyla is just Vayl with a Cyriss mask. Not sure what they're thinking. The mini doesn't quite do the art justice. Yuri looks fine, but I feel like he's a mess in terms of art direction - when I first looked at him I thought 'why does the Tharn Bloodtracker look so bootleg?'. He's my favorite of the bunch, but even that's with an asterisk. Essentially, one model looks like SHIT, and the rest are on thin ice. Can't say I'd buy into this either. The stuff outside the core box looks more promising, though. I think Korgoth the Tharnarian, Vissotzky, the bear, Gudrun and lord Gunglai Kanji look pretty cool. The rest look ok, but it's hard to make judgement calls until you've seen the mini in color.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Jul 8, 2020 12:25:47 GMT
shmeep Shivers is a baby Gorax, literally something you've never seen before. Riot Quest deliberately deviates a bit from the standard Warmachine aesthetic and I think the models look pretty cool, even though I agree they often look out of place in a standard WMH setting. I do agree that the extra models are definitely rad, with the starter box just looking ok, apart from Boomhowler. I'm gonna be frank, fella, I think you're overly polarizing about something you don't know much about
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Post by shmeep on Jul 8, 2020 15:09:52 GMT
shmeep Shivers is a baby Gorax, literally something you've never seen before. Riot Quest deliberately deviates a bit from the standard Warmachine aesthetic and I think the models look pretty cool, even though I agree they often look out of place in a standard WMH setting. I do agree that the extra models are definitely rad, with the starter box just looking ok, apart from Boomhowler. I'm gonna be frank, fella, I think you're overly polarizing about something you don't know much about jesus, now that you mention it I see it. I know RQ is trying to be more cartoony than WMH, and that's fine to a degree, but I think a lot of the designs are 'cartoony' in the wrong way, looking plain dumb rather than over the top. I actually like Crawtooth a lot, as well as the gobbers and even Orsus. There are ways to depart from your original look without butchering it. And Shivers' sculpt looks bad, simple as. The concept art ain't great, but the sculpt is worse.
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Post by shmeep on Jul 8, 2020 23:25:46 GMT
by the way, is Captain Karli a Tharn? I can't think of any other reason why she'd look like PF Hobgoblin. Apparently she's a Cygnar Trencher model, which is just.... bizarre, if she's actually Tharn.
Edit: nevermind, she's an Ogrun.
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Asmoridin
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Post by Asmoridin on Jul 9, 2020 12:37:22 GMT
Personally, I love it. I backed it at the highest level I could afford, and I can't wait. The minis look fun, the game looks fun (one of these days I'll actually play it), and I love having new things for all my WM/H armies. What's not to like? Some of the sculpts are maybe a bit goofy, but I really dig them adding things to various parts of their world. Plus, Rhulic Stone Lord? Hell yeah!
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Post by Cyel on Jul 9, 2020 13:35:32 GMT
225$ ? I know I kept repeating it with every PP release...but how do you rationalise such a price ? Are those Loot Box tokens worth so much ? How many miniatures can one get from them ? I did some simple maths. 1 US $ costs 3,9 PLN (Polish currency) now. SO 225 + 15 (shipping) translates into 936 PLN Underworlds warbands are ~73 PLN per band ( mgla.pl/index.php?p=1&id_k=1203 ) With such a huge order shipping will be free. So the cost of the RQ all-in gives us: 936-176 = 760 ; 760/73 = 10,4 A starter set and 10 (and a half!) warbands. Or 11 if you go for cheaper ones. Approximately 50 miniatures, 12 warband decks + all the accessories you need to play the game. And RQ is a kickstarter, supposedly a good deal compared to RRP. Seriously, I don't know how good the game would have to be for me to feel it's worth the price. Like, seriously, PP dudes!!! WTH ? How do you expect to conquer the market like that ? I'd rather invest 89$ in Super Fantasy Brawl (including expansions), which looks fun and smart (but unfortunately also has this awful, infantile LOL/Fortnite-y aesthetics that is an instant turn-off) If you read it as a rant - it's not, I'm past that. It's just astonishment at PP's audacity.
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Asmoridin
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Post by Asmoridin on Jul 9, 2020 13:42:05 GMT
> Underworlds warbands are ~73 PLN per band ( mgla.pl/index.php?p=1&id_k=1203 ) Interestingly, that's about 18.50 USD, which is about 10 dollars cheaper than I could buy them for here: www.miniaturemarket.com/gw-110-81.htmlI have nothing else to add, I just thought that was kind of interesting.
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Cyel
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Post by Cyel on Jul 9, 2020 14:05:56 GMT
I just checked some other products for comparison. For example: www.miniaturemarket.com/stm600.html
No such big difference here. I guess if you want to order GW stuff you should do it elsewhere
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jul 9, 2020 15:21:52 GMT
I assume GW benefits from economies of scale. I think they do manufacture in-house now though, rather than in China? How does Underworlds compare to Riot Quest in terms of cards and tokens and stuff? I just bit the bullet and backed at the "Red vs Blue" level ($100), plus a couple of additional minis for my Khador. I've been holding off on investing in new games (like say Marvel Crisis Protocal) because I don't really need new games - I have too many sitting around that don't get played much anyway. But I decided to try this one for a few reasons: 1. 2-4 players: that's something that makes it easier to pull out and get people playing when you're meeting up with friends. 2. Hex grid: I feel it's easier to get new players into games when you're not asking them to use a measuring tape. 3. Good word of mouth: I've heard good things about Riot Quest being fun to play. 4. Warmachine compatible models: even if it turns into another game that none of my friends are interested in playing, I'm still getting value as many of the models will work with my Warmachine armies (which I occasionally do still get to play).
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Cyel
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Post by Cyel on Jul 9, 2020 15:31:09 GMT
How does Underworlds compare to Riot Quest in terms of cards and tokens and stuff? These are the contents of the current 2-player starter: LINK
And an example of a warband (3-7 miniatures, ~55 cards): LINK
So 11 warbands is 600 cards from warband boxes alone, not counting the starter.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jul 9, 2020 15:56:16 GMT
Interesting. Those GW minis look pretty good too. Yeah, that's a huge difference in value (at least based on the physical components, no idea how the gameplay will compare).
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Post by michael on Jul 9, 2020 16:10:49 GMT
225$ ? I know I kept repeating it with every PP release...but how do you rationalise such a price ? Are those Loot Box tokens worth so much ? How many miniatures can one get from them ? I did some simple maths. 1 US $ costs 3,9 PLN (Polish currency) now. SO 225 + 15 (shipping) translates into 936 PLN Underworlds warbands are ~73 PLN per band ( mgla.pl/index.php?p=1&id_k=1203 ) With such a huge order shipping will be free. So the cost of the RQ all-in gives us: 936-176 = 760 ; 760/73 = 10,4 A starter set and 10 (and a half!) warbands. Or 11 if you go for cheaper ones. Approximately 50 miniatures, 12 warband decks + all the accessories you need to play the game. And RQ is a kickstarter, supposedly a good deal compared to RRP. Seriously, I don't know how good the game would have to be for me to feel it's worth the price. Like, seriously, PP dudes!!! WTH ? How do you expect to conquer the market like that ? I'd rather invest 89$ in Super Fantasy Brawl (including expansions), which looks fun and smart (but unfortunately also has this awful, infantile LOL/Fortnite-y aesthetics that is an instant turn-off) If you read it as a rant - it's not, I'm past that. It's just astonishment at PP's audacity.
Every time you harp about cost, I ask the same question, and never get a meaningful response:
So, what's your point?
Is a game somehow intrinsically more fun to play because it costs less?
GW is roughly 20 times larger than Privateer, and they can sometimes -- but hardly always! -- make some products that cost less.
So? How is this remotely meaningful?
Cost is not the only factor to consider.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jul 9, 2020 16:22:32 GMT
Every time you harp about cost, I ask the same question, and never get a meaningful response:
So, what's your point? Is a game somehow intrinsically more fun to play because it costs less? GW is roughly 20 times larger than Privateer, and they can sometimes -- but hardly always! -- make some products that cost less.
So? How is this remotely meaningful?
It's meaningful in that, if I'm correctly remembering what my old economics teacher told me twenty years ago, demand is inversely proportional to price. So if PP's starter products are more expensive than popular alternatives, they will achieve less market penetration, meaning it will be harder to find people to play with and/or harder to convince your friends to buy into the game. Also we might just be at the start of a massive economic depression; for some people money is tight right now, and might get worse. Personally I've been paid half my actual salary for the last three months. I mean, like I said I still went in on Riot Quest and I have zero interest in Underworlds, but that's because I want Riot Quest (for the reasons I mentioned above) and I don't want Underworlds - and also because I'm not very financially responsible - so I understand your point Micheal, but that doesn't mean the price isn't meaningful.
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