rolle
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Post by rolle on Jun 30, 2020 13:55:17 GMT
Here's the thing:
I really like how Cephalyx models look, but I'am from eastern Europe and my yearly budget for hobbys are almost non-existent, so I don’t have that luxury of buying models that I will never play and who will just stand in the display case.
So, how competitive they are and is it worth it to try to find and buy them?
I am not a tournament player, even more so I am a relatively new player, but I play in a local group of experienced players. With that in mind, I don't expect to win all the time, but I wouldn't want to have a list with which I would practically become a punching bag from the beginning of the game.
If you think it's worth getting them, is it possible to made a good list which would include, among other things, the following models: - I'm already have 2 units of Overlords and 1 full unit of Mind Slaver & Drudges (came in an earlier purchase of Cryx lot, my only fraction) - Exulon Thexus (he is similar to Lord Exhumator Scaverous, one of my favorite warcaster and it seems to me to be more useful than Cognifex Cyphon) - Croe's Cutthroats with Dominator (it seem to me that they'll work well with Thexus, and I already need them for Scaverous)
Keep in mind that I am not too experienced in this game, so it is very easily possible that all my observations are wrong, so feel free to correct me. All advice and suggestions are welcome.
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zhoe
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Post by zhoe on Jul 1, 2020 14:30:11 GMT
ain't nobody playing em. but if u gots em get assphyxoous4 and2 void arkongs and it mite be aight
War Room Army
Mercenary - New Army
Theme: Operating Theater 75 / 75 Army 0 / 20 Specialist
Exulon Thexus - WJ: +29 - Doctor Stygius - PC: 0 - Wrecker - PC: 14 (Battlegroup Points Used: 14) - Wrecker - PC: 14 (Battlegroup Points Used: 14) - Warden - PC: 10 (Battlegroup Points Used: 1)
Void Archon - PC: 8 Void Archon - PC: 8 Cephalyx Agitator - PC: 3 Cephalyx Agitator - PC: 3 Pistol Wraith - PC: 0 Pistol Wraith - PC: 0
Asphyxious the Sanctified - Asphyxious & 3 Annihilation Servitors: 14 - Stalker - PC: 8 Cephalyx Mind Bender & Drudges - Mind Bender & 9 Drudge Grunts: 11 Cephalyx Mind Bender & Drudges - Mind Bender & 9 Drudge Grunts: 11
THEME: Operating Theater ---
GENERATED : 07/01/2020 07:29:42 BUILD ID : 2099.20-03-03
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rolle
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Post by rolle on Jul 3, 2020 9:46:30 GMT
First, thank you so much for the reply! As I already say all advice, suggestions and opinions are more than welcome I guess this is the answer to my first question, is it worth it, and at the same time probably the reason why there are no more answers in the topic. ain't nobody playing em. but if u gots em get assphyxoous4 and2 void arkongs and it mite be aight Theme: Operating Theater 75 / 75 Army 0 / 20 Specialist Exulon Thexus - WJ: +29 - Doctor Stygius - PC: 0 - Wrecker - PC: 14 (Battlegroup Points Used: 14) - Wrecker - PC: 14 (Battlegroup Points Used: 14) - Warden - PC: 10 (Battlegroup Points Used: 1) Void Archon - PC: 8 Void Archon - PC: 8 Cephalyx Agitator - PC: 3 Cephalyx Agitator - PC: 3 Pistol Wraith - PC: 0 Pistol Wraith - PC: 0 Asphyxious the Sanctified - Asphyxious & 3 Annihilation Servitors: 14 - Stalker - PC: 8 Cephalyx Mind Bender & Drudges - Mind Bender & 9 Drudge Grunts: 11 Cephalyx Mind Bender & Drudges - Mind Bender & 9 Drudge Grunts: 11 So, practically no model I already have is usable (except for the pistol wraiths), which would mean I should buy the whole 75pt army and that's too much for me at this moment. I think that the purchase will be paused until maybe a favorable offer of used ones pops up.
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sorokin
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Post by sorokin on Jul 3, 2020 9:56:23 GMT
I think it is definetly possible to construct a list featuring slavers and croes with thexus, after all slavers can gain ambush due to the theme beneit. i just dont know how good it would be, but that is something you can figure out on the table. Really the most "useless" part of your collection are the overlords, becuase they are basically worse void archons. Maybe try this for a spin: conflictchamber.com/?c6201b_-23enq0ememeiei2toNoN6iejpz1kci73ejMercenaries [Theme] Operating Theater [Thexus 1] Exulon Thexus [+29] - Doctor Stygius [0(4)] - Wrecker [14] - Wrecker [14] Cephalyx Agitator [0(3)] Cephalyx Agitator [0(3)] Pistol Wraith [0(5)] Void Archon [8] Void Archon [8] Alexia Ciannor & the Risen [10] - Cephalyx Dominator [1] Asphyxious the Sanctified [14] - Cankerworm [9] Cephalyx Mind Slaver & Drudges (min) [8] Croe's Cutthroats (max) [16] - Cephalyx Dominator [1]
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zhoe
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Post by zhoe on Jul 3, 2020 13:55:41 GMT
I guess this is the answer to my first question, is it worth it, and at the same time probably the reason why there are no more answers in the topic. [] no der ar no other answars cuz i alreddy ansered errybodys questions on dis board an dey al went to teh wormachine disco chat to palay wartabal
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zhoe
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Post by zhoe on Jul 3, 2020 13:57:20 GMT
I think it is definetly possible to construct a list featuring slavers and croes with thexus, after all slavers can gain ambush due to the theme beneit. i just dont know how good it would be, but that is something you can figure out on the table. Really the most "useless" part of your collection are the overlords, becuase they are basically worse void archons. Maybe try this for a spin: conflictchamber.com/?c6201b_-23enq0ememeiei2toNoN6iejpz1kci73ejMercenaries [Theme] Operating Theater [Thexus 1] Exulon Thexus [+29] - Doctor Stygius [0(4)] - Wrecker [14] - Wrecker [14] Cephalyx Agitator [0(3)] Cephalyx Agitator [0(3)] Pistol Wraith [0(5)] Void Archon [8] Void Archon [8] Alexia Ciannor & the Risen [10] - Cephalyx Dominator [1] Asphyxious the Sanctified [14] - Cankerworm [9] Cephalyx Mind Slaver & Drudges (min) [8] Croe's Cutthroats (max) [16] - Cephalyx Dominator [1] needs mor soles for teh vood arcons
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sorokin
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Post by sorokin on Jul 3, 2020 17:04:04 GMT
needs mor soles for teh vood arcons Yeah prolly, i think the first thing id drop in that list is alexia, but i wouldnt know for what. Idrians kinda do the same thing as croes. Maybe more drudges? Or mebbe prass gangnass for double ambush?
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zhoe
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Post by zhoe on Jul 3, 2020 21:27:49 GMT
best u gon git is a shity aurora1 list
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rolle
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Post by rolle on Jul 4, 2020 7:27:58 GMT
Really the most "useless" part of your collection are the overlords, becuase they are basically worse void archons. I believe you are right, but I bought them long before void archon was even announced, and they know to be useful with Lord Exhumator Scaverous.
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rolle
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Post by rolle on Jul 4, 2020 7:59:28 GMT
needs mor soles for teh vood arcons Probably a very stupid question, but does that mean that I need rely on my own units to freed arcons so they can work properly? Does that then mean it would be ok to put in 1 unit of slaver&drudges? They can potentially do some damage, maybe even conver some units, and at the end die and feed archon. And does Asphyxious4 also potentially try to claim the same souls as Archon?
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sorokin
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Post by sorokin on Jul 4, 2020 10:14:53 GMT
needs mor soles for teh vood arcons Probably a very stupid question, but does that mean that I need rely on my own units to freed arcons so they can work properly? Does that then mean it would be ok to put in 1 unit of slaver&drudges? They can potentially do some damage, maybe even conver some units, and at the end die and feed archon. And does Asphyxious4 also potentially try to claim the same souls as Archon? Yes, the voids will need to rely on your own troops to gain souls, becuase many popular lists you might face will have some form of denying their enemy their own souls (holy bonds, direct spirits, or soul ward). Its great when they dont and your archons will run ammok in that case, but it's not something you should plan for. That also means, yes, drudges of all flavours are good soul fodder and mind slavers and drudges are good enough anyway simply because you can ambush one slaver unit. Thats why i'd always field at list a minimum unit of slavers. Asphyxious has a differen soul taker ability than voids do. Gaspy can only collect enemy souls, so you cannot feed him friendlies, so while the voids and him might fight for the same enemy soul, you can alleviate that by adapting your gameplan accordingly.
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zhoe
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Post by zhoe on Jul 5, 2020 6:24:23 GMT
needs mor soles for teh vood arcons Probably a very stupid question, but does that mean that I need rely on my own units to freed arcons so they can work properly? Does that then mean it would be ok to put in 1 unit of slaver&drudges? They can potentially do some damage, maybe even conver some units, and at the end die and feed archon. And does Asphyxious4 also potentially try to claim the same souls as Archon? U wanna to feet teh bad guys into 2 niec neat linez and lite dey azzes up wit fuly loaded vood arcons. GOTS to hav souls befor dat or it dont work see?
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Post by dickovdk on Jul 24, 2020 10:11:30 GMT
My take on Cephalyx in general is they are not top competitive solutions. You play them because you love the models and the fluff. Are they bad, not at all but as with most stuff that havent seen recently changes they are falling behind, which is why Zhoe points to the "power models" available Gaspy4 and Archon.
You can do without them but as with all Warmachine, not playing the new better models put you at a disadvantage. Personally I invested in the two Archons and have been playing Cephalyx some. Also to note when I say playing Cephalyx its not just running the off list with Thexus and using a different Merc caster as the primary list. I go all in on Cephs and enjoy it A LOT. Cephs dont have a bunch of options but my approach have been to focus on Battlegroup with Cyphon and more unit based Thexus lists.
I have done fairly well with a 56/44 win percentage loosing mostly to top tournament list Exulon Thexus [+29] - Doctor Stygius [0(4)] - 2x Warden [20] - Wrecker [14] 2x Cephalyx Agitator [0(6)] Machine Wraith [2] Pistol Wraith [0(5)] 2x Void Archon [16] Cephalyx Mind Bender & Drudges (max) [11] Cephalyx Mind Slaver & Drudges (min) [8] 2x Cephalyx Overlords [16] Croe's Cutthroats (max) [16] - Cephalyx Dominator [1]
Mercenaries [Theme] Operating Theater
Cognifex Cyphon [+29] - Doctor Stygius [0(4)] - Subduer [11] - 2x Warden [20] - 2x Wrecker [28] Bloat Thrall [4] Bloat Thrall Overseer Mobius [0(6)] 2x Cephalyx Agitator [0(6)] 2x Void Archon [16] Cephalyx Mind Bender & Drudges (max) [11] Order of Illumination Resolutes (max) [13] - Cephalyx Dominator [1]
of course there are some major gaps in comparison to top lists but hey as I said Cephs are for the people who prioritize the fluff and looks of models
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rolle
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Post by rolle on Sept 30, 2020 17:12:40 GMT
As I already said, I really like how Cephalyx look, so in the end I couldn't resist and got a biggish used lot. So most of you have already told me how to make a list for Exulon Thexus, but only dickovdk post his take on Cognifex Cyphon. so I would like to hear from the rest of you what you think would be the best list for him, since I also got him in the lot. It would also mean a lot to tell me your opinion on what you would play against the Skorn beast-heavy list (skorn beast combine with gator beasts) - Exulon Thexus or Cognifex Cyphon? So far, I've only played a couple of times against the skorne, so I'm not sure what exactly to expect.
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sorokin
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Post by sorokin on Oct 1, 2020 8:05:17 GMT
I will admit i don't really get Cyphon.
Thexus is simple because the whole list is: Haha backstab and sprays go brrr
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