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Post by Havock on Oct 6, 2020 15:31:08 GMT
Drago is arguably point-for-point the worst jack in the game. Black Ivan wants a word with you. At least Drago is an OK beatstick. Ivan is just... well... a severely overcosted Destroyer with fancy useless rules. Close. But BI has a gun, Drago is a SPD5 melee heavy with a defensive buff that won't save him. But yeah, they are both absolutely terrible.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2020 16:11:56 GMT
Wait... Drago is SPD 5?! I thought all our jacks are SPD 4! 😲
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Post by Soul Samurai on Oct 6, 2020 17:26:13 GMT
Wait... Drago is SPD 5?! I thought all our jacks are SPD 4! 😲 Wait, don't tell me you missed the CID where they buffed all the Berserker chassis jacks to SPD5? Have you seriously been playing them at SPD4 this whole time?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2020 18:30:39 GMT
Wait, don't tell me you missed the CID where they buffed all the Berserker chassis jacks to SPD5? Have you seriously been playing them at SPD4 this whole time? Cheeky sod. Ye almost had me, but I know that the Berserker chassis and its variants are SPD 4 cos I just printed a second Rager card the other day. 😆
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Post by Havock on Oct 6, 2020 19:29:32 GMT
Fat thumb syndrome strikes again
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Post by Soul Samurai on Oct 6, 2020 19:31:56 GMT
Wait, don't tell me you missed the CID where they buffed all the Berserker chassis jacks to SPD5? Have you seriously been playing them at SPD4 this whole time? Cheeky sod. Ye almost had me, but I know that the Berserker chassis and its variants are SPD 4 cos I just printed a second Rager card the other day. 😆 Heh, I was hoping you'd fall for it so I could tell you about how we have light warjacks now...
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Post by hocestbellum on Oct 7, 2020 13:43:04 GMT
I wonder if the Berzerker has more of a role in BrawlMachine? If you assume that you're likely to take a Marauder and one of the 13-14 point jacks, taking the Berserker as a hypothetical third is going to be 5-6 points cheaper than any other reasonable option.
Given that most of our casters have 28 WJP that would leave 20-21 points for other things.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2020 14:16:52 GMT
Heh, I was hoping you'd fall for it so I could tell you about how we have light warjacks now... We do. They're called Berserkers, Ragers and Mad Dogs. ... Oh and of course, Scrapjack. 😁
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2020 14:19:52 GMT
I wonder if the Berzerker has more of a role in BrawlMachine? If you assume that you're likely to take a Marauder and one of the 13-14 point jacks, taking the Berserker as a hypothetical third is going to be 5-6 points cheaper than any other reasonable option. Given that most of our casters have 28 WJP that would leave 20-21 points for other things. They're pretty good there actually. My list: "Blades of Binkovsky" Theme: Wolves of Winter Lord Kozlov, Viscount of Skarsgrad (-28) - Rager (10) - Berserker (8) - Binkistator(14) Greylord Forgeseer (4) Greylord Koldun Lord (4) Fenris (8) Orsus the Chained (0) Kayazy Eliminators (5) 25 points, 10 miniatures.
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Post by steeltitan on Oct 10, 2020 16:29:06 GMT
I wonder if the Berzerker has more of a role in BrawlMachine? If you assume that you're likely to take a Marauder and one of the 13-14 point jacks, taking the Berserker as a hypothetical third is going to be 5-6 points cheaper than any other reasonable option. Given that most of our casters have 28 WJP that would leave 20-21 points for other things. I was thinking that too. If you play him with a caster that has a damage buff, your opponent will have to respect it because he'll wreck a heavy just like any other heavy. I think many BM lists run 2 heavies so if you can fit in 2 plus the cheap Zerk, you can start the piece trade while keeping your quality jacks back. Even if it explodes, if it took out their heavy, you're still up.
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Post by P'tit Nico on Oct 13, 2020 7:44:01 GMT
I wonder if the Berzerker has more of a role in BrawlMachine? If you assume that you're likely to take a Marauder and one of the 13-14 point jacks, taking the Berserker as a hypothetical third is going to be 5-6 points cheaper than any other reasonable option. Given that most of our casters have 28 WJP that would leave 20-21 points for other things. I was thinking that too. If you play him with a caster that has a damage buff, your opponent will have to respect it because he'll wreck a heavy just like any other heavy. I think many BM lists run 2 heavies so if you can fit in 2 plus the cheap Zerk, you can start the piece trade while keeping your quality jacks back. Even if it explodes, if it took out their heavy, you're still up. On the other hand, if it explodes, it costs you even more.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2020 9:32:41 GMT
Tried it versus Legion; went in, chopped up a couple of Legionnaires, Berserk murdered a few incubi and then exploded to kill more Legionnaires, leaving a whole bunch of (much easier to kill) Incubi on the field.
Our stuff generally isn't very cost effective but as long as the piece can be used to effect as part of a larger plan, go with it.
Does it really matter how many points you've spent to kill something if you've won by scenario or caster kill?
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Post by Havock on Oct 13, 2020 14:48:01 GMT
That sounds like... Immensely poor positioning on your opponent's part
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Post by hocestbellum on Oct 13, 2020 16:37:22 GMT
Well the Incubi might have popped out of the Legionnaires... I feel like that doesn't interrupt Berserk?
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Post by steeltitan on Oct 13, 2020 17:03:25 GMT
I was thinking that too. If you play him with a caster that has a damage buff, your opponent will have to respect it because he'll wreck a heavy just like any other heavy. I think many BM lists run 2 heavies so if you can fit in 2 plus the cheap Zerk, you can start the piece trade while keeping your quality jacks back. Even if it explodes, if it took out their heavy, you're still up. On the other hand, if it explodes, it costs you even more. Not if you just took out a heavy 2x+ the cost. For example last game, I had a Jugger and a Dev, going up against a Swamp Horror and a Wrastler. Threat ranges aside, if a potential Zerker would manage to take out one of the two (and then explode but who cares), all of a sudden the matchup looks much better. Very oversimplified but thats what i meant. Your opponent has to take your Zerker serious, exploding or not.
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