xth
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Post by xth on Mar 3, 2020 9:48:04 GMT
Hi everyone,
I am a mk2 Cygnar returning player (cf my post in the Cygnar forum) and I want to take this occasion to start playing trolls. I have gathered several models over the years and before I start painting them, I just wanted to make sure I am building decent lists!
So far I have identified the following Casters/Theme which I like: - Madrak 1 or 2 / Band of Heroes - Borka 1 or 2 / Storm of the north
I have picked up some models which I love and would like to play as far as possible:
- Krielstone + Elder
- Champions with Skaldi - Mauler - Runebearer
- Fell Caller
- Warders
- Fennblades
I also have a crush on both the Mountain King (BoH?) and the Glacier King (SotN?), but I haven't bought them yet, since I want to make sure if they can fit in a list first.
Based on the above information, would you guys be able to point me in a direction to build my lists? Thanks in advance!
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shmeep
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Post by shmeep on Mar 3, 2020 11:12:52 GMT
Fennblades, champs and min warders is standard fare for Madrak in BoH, so that's the first thing I'd reach for. Everyone uses the stone, barely worth mentioning. Mauler + Bomber is the standard beast package. add the fell caller, runebearer and get a chronicler, and you're pretty much set.
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Post by mandra on Mar 3, 2020 12:15:56 GMT
I'm playing borka2/madrak1-2 since November 2019(when I have started) with great satisfaction. Especially Borka2, a strong melee caster in SoTN. My list is: [Theme] Storm of the North [Borka 2] Borka, Vengeance of the Rimeshaws [+27] - Dire Troll Bomber [17] - Pyre Troll [8] - Winter Troll [8] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Fell Caller Hero [0(5)] Valka Curseborn, Chieftain of the North [0(6)] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Northkin Elder [3] Northkin Bear Handlers & Battle Bears [10] Northkin Fire Eaters [7] Northkin Fire Eaters [7] Trollkin Champions (max) [16] - Skaldi Bonehammer [5] Trollkin Long Riders (min) [12] With madrak2 I'm using: conflictchamber.com/?c7201b_-264X9DiRjqoP6GcF0k0miTbK0b0c0b0cTrollbloods [Theme] Band of Heroes [Madrak 2] Madrak Ironhide, World Ender [+28] - Dire Troll Mauler [15] - Earthborn Dire Troll [14] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Dhunian Archon [0(6)] Fell Caller Hero [0(5)] Fennblade Kithkar [4] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (min) [6] - Stone Scribe Elder [3] Trollkin Champions (max) [16] - Skaldi Bonehammer [5] Trollkin Fennblades (max) [15] - Trollkin Fennblade Officer & Drummer [5] Trollkin Fennblades (max) [15] - Trollkin Fennblade Officer & Drummer [5] you could drop kithkar since si not essential, I’m only testing it, and take full stone unit. drop one unit of fennblades and take in warders. Your Boh list si done. you can use kings without restriction by theme
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Post by Trollock on Mar 3, 2020 12:50:43 GMT
This seems good and checks many of your boxes: conflictchamber.com/?c7201b_-284NfmjqoP6G6O0o0ki-iZiZiTbKcCTrollbloods [Theme] Storm of the North [Madrak 1] Madrak Ironhide, Thornwood Chieftain [+29] - Glacier King [35] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Dhunian Archon [0(6)] Fell Caller Hero [0(5)] Trollkin Champion Hero [5] Kriel Warriors (max) [11] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (min) [6] - Northkin Elder [3] Northkin Bear Handlers & Battle Bears [10] Northkin Bear Handlers & Battle Bears [10] Trollkin Champions (max) [16] - Skaldi Bonehammer [5] - Trollkin Sorcerer (1) [3]
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xth
Baby's First Wargame
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Post by xth on Mar 5, 2020 13:58:32 GMT
Thanks a lot for the great ideas and feedbacks.
I haved produced a first draft of a Madrak 1 list for BoH using the models which I like and following most of your advices:
[Theme] Band of Heroes
[Madrak 1] Madrak Ironhide, Thornwood Chieftain [+29] - Mountain King [36] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Fell Caller Hero [0(5)] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Stone Scribe Elder [3] Trollkin Champions (max) [16] - Skaldi Bonehammer [0(5)] - Trollkin Sorcerer (1) [3] Trollkin Fennblades (max) [15] - Trollkin Fennblade Officer & Drummer [5] Trollkin Warders (max) [17]
I have the feeling that the Mountain King would work well in the list as it provides Rage and is a great target for Jackhammer. Max Warders seems to be overkill since everybody recommends Min Warders usually, but I just love the models. What do you guys think? Is it decent or are there some obvious issues with this list?
Now for the second list Storm of the North, I am strugling a bit more.... I started off with the Theme box and the Glacier king, and worked out a first list skeleton but I am quite unsure if this is going in the right direction.
[Theme] Storm of the North
[Borka 2] Borka, Vengeance of the Rimeshaws [+27] - Glacier King [35] - Rök [19] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Valka Curseborn, Chieftain of the North [0(6)] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Northkin Elder [3] Northkin Bear Handlers & Battle Bears [10] Northkin Fire Eaters [7] Trollkin Champions (max) [16] - Skaldi Bonehammer [0(5)] - Trollkin Sorcerer (1) [3]
I understand people tend to go either the Double-Bear route, or the Double Fire-Eater+Pyre Troll route. Not sure if there is a way to play "Combined Arms" with Bear+Fire Eaters? What about the Northkin Raiders, I like the models!
Once again thanks in advance for your help!
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Post by mandra on Mar 5, 2020 19:43:23 GMT
What about the Northkin Raiders, I like the models! A good midrange(14'') skirmish unit, good also with madrak1, take out champions and take in raiders if you want to try them.
I had fun with glacier king, both in Boh and SotN theme, with the combo bog trog + northkin elder + gunnbjorn, is nice!3shot POW16 21'' with far sight. You don't need double FE and bears, they are strong but you can take what you want.
Trollbloods [Theme] Storm of the North
[Gunnbjorn 1] Captain Gunnbjorn [+28] - Glacier King [35] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Bog Trog Mist Speaker [4] Fell Caller Hero [0(5)] Valka Curseborn, Chieftain of the North [0(6)] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (min) [6] - Northkin Elder [3] Northkin Bear Handlers & Battle Bears [10] Northkin Bear Handlers & Battle Bears [10] Northkin Fire Eaters [7] Northkin Fire Eaters [7] Trollkin Champions (max) [16] - Skaldi Bonehammer [5]
I use double units of fennblades but you can take warders to protect also the caster. Trollbloods [Theme] Band of Heroes
[Gunnbjorn 1] Captain Gunnbjorn [+28] - Glacier King [35] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Bog Trog Mist Speaker [4] Fell Caller Hero [0(5)] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (min) [6] - Northkin Elder [3] Trollkin Champions (max) [16] - Skaldi Bonehammer [0(5)] Trollkin Fennblades (max) [15] - Trollkin Fennblade Officer & Drummer [5] Trollkin Warders (max) [17]
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xth
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Post by xth on Apr 14, 2020 7:39:28 GMT
Hi All!
It is awfully quite here! I was expected that with the current situation people would be spending more time on forums and less playing boardgames!
I have made some small changes to my lists because I was not able to purchase some models (Mountain King, Sorcerer, Northkin Theme Force) but got other interesting ones instead (Mulg, Sons of Bragg). [Theme] Band of Heroes (75/75) [Madrak 1] Madrak Ironhide, Thornwood Chieftain [+29] - Dire Troll Mauler [15] - Earthborn Dire Troll [14] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Fell Caller Hero [0(5)] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Stone Scribe Elder [3] Sons of Bragg [9] Trollkin Champions (max) [16] - Skaldi Bonehammer [0(5)] Trollkin Fennblades (max) [15] - Trollkin Fennblade Officer & Drummer [5] Trollkin Warders (max) [17] I know people don't really like Sons of Bragg in Band of Heroes but it is a way for me to avoid bying another box of champions I also know it is usually recommended to take only a min unit of Warders, but then what do I do with the remaining points? Upgrade the EBDT to a Bomber? Add a sorcerer (if I can find one) to the champions?
Now for the second list Storm of the North is gone because I cannot get hold of the Theme Force anywhere but since I just got myself a Mulg, I am considering putting together a Power of Dhunia list instead. Since I cannot find neither a Mountain King nor a Glacier King, then I am considering runing Doomie2 rather than Doomie3.
[Theme] Power of Dhunia (73/75) [Doomshaper 2] Hoarluk Doomshaper, Rage of Dhunia [+27] - Dire Troll Bomber [17] - Dire Troll Mauler [15] - Earthborn Dire Troll [14] - Mulg the Ancient [22] - Troll Axer [10] - Troll Bouncer [9] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Lanyssa Ryssyl, Nyss Sorceress [4] Troll Whelps [0(4)] Dhunian Knot [0(6)] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9]
Based on the models which I owned, it could look like that. What do you guys think? Did I go overboard on beast? Should I add some Runeshaper to get more bodies?
Thanks a lot in advance for your good advices and stay healthy!
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Post by beardmonk on Apr 14, 2020 7:58:15 GMT
Firstly, belated welcome! Good to see another Troll player.
Lormahordes is very quiet right now. TBH about 90% of all the interactions around WM/H now happens on the official social media, mainly the official FB pages. Can I recommend you search for:
"Privateer press" (obviously) "Warmachine and Hordes General" "Trollbloods" there is an official FB group for the faction "Warmachine and Hordes Painting" and then search by your country or region. For example there is a "Warmachine and Horded UK" page. And for me a "Warmachine and Hordes UK SE" page. You will have much better luck and higher volume to responses on those site. As you said we are all indoors painting and writing lists so lots of people will be able to answer your questions.
Cheers!
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snoozer
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Post by snoozer on Apr 14, 2020 11:01:16 GMT
I would surely go with a Bomber for Madrak 1. Snipe is way too important!
I go with this: War Room Army
Trollblood - madrak 1
Theme: Band of Heroes 75 / 75 Army
Madrak Ironhide, Thornwood Chieftain - WB: +29 - Trollkin Runebearer - PC: 0 - Dire Troll Bomber - PC: 17 (Battlegroup Points Used: 17) - Dire Troll Mauler - PC: 15 (Battlegroup Points Used: 12)
Fell Caller Hero - PC: 0 Dhunian Archon <! INVALID FOR FACTION !> - PC: 0 Stone Scribe Chronicler - PC: 4 Trollkin Skinner - PC: 3
Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes - Leader & 5 Grunts: 9 - Stone Scribe Elder - PC: 3 Trollkin Champions - Leader & 4 Grunts: 16 - Skaldi Bonehammer - PC: 5 Trollkin Fennblades - Leader & 9 Grunts: 15 - Trollkin Fennblade Officer & Drummer - Officer & Drummer: 5 Trollkin Long Riders - Leader & 2 Grunts: 12
THEME: Band of Heroes ---
If you remove the long riders and Skinner, you can fit min waders and something like a Champion Hero. Or sons of Bragg which are very good! You kind of want both fenns and buffalos for each flank. Dhunian Archon ist kind of a must, she is way more powerful on the table than people expect.
Are all sites mentioned for traffic Facebook sites? And can you read those without an account?
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Post by Dev Null on Apr 14, 2020 13:49:52 GMT
Heya!
I'm too new at trolls to rate an opinion much, but I like me some Sons of Bragg. They hit hard.
I recently ran a beast-heavy list with a pair of Dhunian Archons, and they are freaking amazing in the role. On top of all the other awesome that they already deliver, Shepherd's Call is great fury control for a beast-heavy list.
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