Juris
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Post by Juris on Feb 28, 2020 22:40:21 GMT
Is there a model to Befuddle that is within 16" of Nemo4 to trigger Watcher? Is there also a model that you can befuddle that is within 17" of the Toro? If so, both boxes are checked, proceed with plan "Move Toro up to 18" before it activates." No, the target of befuddle must be within 9" of Nemo and the second target must be within 9" of where the Toro ends up after its watcher movement. Befuddle only moves the target 3" according to warroom. Why? Nemo can move before you befuddle, so at the start of your turn, Nemo places 3", casts Locomotion on the Toro for 3", then charges something. My numbers are correct.
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Post by P'tit Nico on Mar 2, 2020 8:42:18 GMT
Is there a model to Befuddle that is within 16" of Nemo4 to trigger Watcher? Is there also a model that you can befuddle that is within 17" of the Toro? If so, both boxes are checked, proceed with plan "Move Toro up to 18" before it activates." No, the target of befuddle must be within 9" of Nemo and the second target must be within 9" of where the Toro ends up after its watcher movement. Befuddle only moves the target 3" according to warroom. Nemo can move 7" (SPD 4 + 3" place), or even charge 10", before Fiona casts Befuddle.
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Post by sand20go on Mar 3, 2020 23:51:39 GMT
This is definitely a cool bit of jank but I think you are overselling how easy this is to pull off. It requires a lot of pieces to be in place, and a lot of opportunities for the dice to abandon you. I also don't see how this is like throwing a Drakhun at all, as it doesn't involve power attacks, steady, or a solo. It's chaining nonlinear threat ranges, not taking advantage of rules holes. The Fiona double befuddle with Nemo4 Toro is not hard to pull off. You just need to hit 2 befuddles (cost 2) with a Focus 7 warcaster with rerolls. I also don't see how this is like "throwing the Drakhun," but it is an 18" movement on a Toro before the Toro even activates. Befuddle is broken and needs to be fixed. Also, Sand20go, FYI, empower doesn't ever care if a model already has focus on it or not; you can always add more with empower (up to the focus limit of the jack). For some reason I distinctly remembering that empower had a limit (if you got empowered once you coudn't get empowered again) and yet I look at it and that isn't the case. Maybe a Mark2 thing with the Koldun lord back in the day. BTW - the Drakhun toss usually involved a jack tossing the Drakhun forward at least 6 if not more. Given the MK 1 rules it could THEN charge. Usually with a Vlad superserum token or under butcher1's feat. It also was in the era of Overboosting with just the focus you had on it. MANY a dead warcaster
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Juris
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Post by Juris on Mar 3, 2020 23:58:49 GMT
The Fiona double befuddle with Nemo4 Toro is not hard to pull off. You just need to hit 2 befuddles (cost 2) with a Focus 7 warcaster with rerolls. I also don't see how this is like "throwing the Drakhun," but it is an 18" movement on a Toro before the Toro even activates. Befuddle is broken and needs to be fixed. Also, Sand20go, FYI, empower doesn't ever care if a model already has focus on it or not; you can always add more with empower (up to the focus limit of the jack). For some reason I distinctly remembering that empower had a limit (if you got empowered once you coudn't get empowered again) and yet I look at it and that isn't the case. Maybe a Mark2 thing with the Koldun lord back in the day. BTW - the Drakhun toss usually involved a jack tossing the Drakhun forward at least 6 if not more. Given the MK 1 rules it could THEN charge. Usually with a Vlad superserum token or under butcher1's feat. It also was in the era of Overboosting with just the focus you had on it. MANY a dead warcaster In MKII you could only empower a warjack that had zero focus on it.
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Post by sand20go on Mar 4, 2020 0:25:05 GMT
For some reason I distinctly remembering that empower had a limit (if you got empowered once you coudn't get empowered again) and yet I look at it and that isn't the case. Maybe a Mark2 thing with the Koldun lord back in the day. BTW - the Drakhun toss usually involved a jack tossing the Drakhun forward at least 6 if not more. Given the MK 1 rules it could THEN charge. Usually with a Vlad superserum token or under butcher1's feat. It also was in the era of Overboosting with just the focus you had on it. MANY a dead warcaster In MKII you could only empower a warjack that had zero focus on it. Thats it. Thanks!
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Post by marxlives on Mar 4, 2020 16:23:19 GMT
Throwing a warbeast at a caster for the assassination was one of the greatest glories of my life in the old days.
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