Post by phantomsig on Feb 24, 2020 3:13:47 GMT
Hi all,
My meta has 3 infernal players, and i've always wanted to see if two primal archons are a valid setup. I haven't had many games of late and i've never vs'd Infernals, so lets theorycraft:
Game plan:
1. Kill all essence supply, prioritizing marked souls
a. Wolf champions run up the side to get in behind
b. LOTF hunts down opportunities
c. Brighid and Caul prey a marked soul that needs to be up front/opponent needs to NOT sacrifice
i. Either the opponent will keep the marked soul away just before sacrificing it
ii. Or the opponent will feed me the soul. Brighid will try and snipe it while staying within the aura of the dhunian archon
2. Hamper summoning
a. Is it naive to not completely kill horrors? Having to allocate an essence for a tithe for each one might be problematic
b. The dhunian archon's soul protection ability interests me. If the infernal masters can't get souls, then they may have resource problems?
c. The primal archons would apply pressure by limiting where horrors can be summoned. I would need to be aggressive with them but also make them survive?
3. Hold the line
a. I am told infernals don't like seeing the late game
i. Ravagers hold the line and recursion away
ii. Death wolves hold the line and just be a pain the in butt
iii. Brennos heals the above two
Questions / thoughts:
* I had a second version of this list that had gehtorix and a well instead of the feral, second primal archon and a ravager shaman (the shaman would take the free solo spot from the well). If the primals do not earn their keep then i might revisit. What are people's thoughts on the list?
* Have people had much experience with primal archons? What about primal archons with infernals?
* Is killing infernal souls harder than i think it is? Are there a ton more than i'd expect?
* Is an alpha from infernals completely crippling in the above plan?
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Circle
[Theme] The Devourer's Host
[Morvahna 1] Morvahna the Autumnblade [+28]
- Brennos the Elderhorn [15]
- Warpwolf Stalker [17]
- Tharn Blood Shaman [4]
Dhunian Archon [6]
Lord of the Feast [0(6)]
Primal Archon [8]
Primal Archon [8]
Tharn Ravager Shaman [4]
Tharn Wolf Rider Champion [0(7)]
Tharn Wolf Rider Champion [0(7)]
Boil Master & Spirit Cauldron [5]
Bríghid & Caul [7]
Death Wolves [9]
Tharn Ravagers (max) [15]
- Tharn Ravager Chieftain [5]
My meta has 3 infernal players, and i've always wanted to see if two primal archons are a valid setup. I haven't had many games of late and i've never vs'd Infernals, so lets theorycraft:
Game plan:
1. Kill all essence supply, prioritizing marked souls
a. Wolf champions run up the side to get in behind
b. LOTF hunts down opportunities
c. Brighid and Caul prey a marked soul that needs to be up front/opponent needs to NOT sacrifice
i. Either the opponent will keep the marked soul away just before sacrificing it
ii. Or the opponent will feed me the soul. Brighid will try and snipe it while staying within the aura of the dhunian archon
2. Hamper summoning
a. Is it naive to not completely kill horrors? Having to allocate an essence for a tithe for each one might be problematic
b. The dhunian archon's soul protection ability interests me. If the infernal masters can't get souls, then they may have resource problems?
c. The primal archons would apply pressure by limiting where horrors can be summoned. I would need to be aggressive with them but also make them survive?
3. Hold the line
a. I am told infernals don't like seeing the late game
i. Ravagers hold the line and recursion away
ii. Death wolves hold the line and just be a pain the in butt
iii. Brennos heals the above two
Questions / thoughts:
* I had a second version of this list that had gehtorix and a well instead of the feral, second primal archon and a ravager shaman (the shaman would take the free solo spot from the well). If the primals do not earn their keep then i might revisit. What are people's thoughts on the list?
* Have people had much experience with primal archons? What about primal archons with infernals?
* Is killing infernal souls harder than i think it is? Are there a ton more than i'd expect?
* Is an alpha from infernals completely crippling in the above plan?
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Circle
[Theme] The Devourer's Host
[Morvahna 1] Morvahna the Autumnblade [+28]
- Brennos the Elderhorn [15]
- Warpwolf Stalker [17]
- Tharn Blood Shaman [4]
Dhunian Archon [6]
Lord of the Feast [0(6)]
Primal Archon [8]
Primal Archon [8]
Tharn Ravager Shaman [4]
Tharn Wolf Rider Champion [0(7)]
Tharn Wolf Rider Champion [0(7)]
Boil Master & Spirit Cauldron [5]
Bríghid & Caul [7]
Death Wolves [9]
Tharn Ravagers (max) [15]
- Tharn Ravager Chieftain [5]