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Post by charlzheimer on Feb 3, 2020 13:55:52 GMT
generally curious if people had any good experiences with this model?
and what their thoughts are about this model now that it has been out for quite some time.
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Post by greytemplar on Feb 4, 2020 3:30:25 GMT
Its a good model. Especially if you are using stuff like Exemplars and bringing them back. IMO its best to use the souls to resurrect models. The gun is a bonus just to take some unboosted shots.
One thing is don't use it with other stuff that collects souls as they will usually be closer than it and it won't receive them.
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Post by charlzheimer on Feb 4, 2020 9:05:04 GMT
Its a good model. Especially if you are using stuff like Exemplars and bringing them back. IMO its best to use the souls to resurrect models. The gun is a bonus just to take some unboosted shots.
One thing is don't use it with other stuff that collects souls as they will usually be closer than it and it won't receive them.
what about our horseback reclaimer? any skornergy/synergy with him?
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Post by privvy on Feb 4, 2020 16:11:58 GMT
There's good synergy with him and it allows a sort of battery to have both. The Shrine only holds 3 souls, so 4 models dying wastes a soul. Hand of Silence can also hold 3, so you get more souls to utilize. My biggest gripe is the whole package isn't cheap, at almost a quarter of your army but it provides decent guns.
I've had this fever dream list of Double Bastions with the Shrine, a Bastion Seneshal, and a Vessel under Harby, with the whole idea being that the Bastions either spread small damage, or die to big damage if I don't want to waste a martyr, get revived, and then fully healed. In practice, it hasn't quite worked yet. This was before Sev0, so maybe now they can deal damage to heavier targets effectively.
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Post by Hashmal on Feb 4, 2020 18:58:55 GMT
Middle of the road. Mediocre has a negative connotation I don't wish to apply, but the model almost defines average. It's not a bad model to include, but it's not necessarily a good one to use, either.
It has its uses, it provides some neat tech otherwise unavailable to the faction, and fulfills the role it sets to pretty well. The problem is in the day and age of 10 point Wells, Supreme Guardians, the Infernal Gate, and other tuned releases that came after it, that 14 point price tag hurts and the model overall has trouble keeping up with how the game is played. In addition, sacrificing 14 points to a model that is irrelevant on scenario is a tough pill to swallow in the current packet.
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Post by privvy on Feb 4, 2020 20:48:31 GMT
Yeah, that's a good take. It really wants to use the souls to bring back 3 guys and power the gun and give Ghostly to a jack, but it can't do it all. If it could hold 5 souls and only use 3 to bring back 3 guys, it'd be a lot stronger. 2 more souls would make a massive difference.
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Post by greytemplar on Feb 5, 2020 5:45:43 GMT
IMO Hand of Silence has skornergy with himself. His two best abilities are Direct Souls and Grave Resonance. The issue is if you're using one you are losing out on the other. IE: If he's giving souls to someone else, he doesn't have any for giving focus to jacks.
Hand would be better if Grave Resonance also let you give souls to other models that could use them.
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Post by charlzheimer on Feb 5, 2020 8:53:46 GMT
the main reason for asking all of this has been due to the instability that i as a european player have atm. with brexit beeing an ACTUAL thing i have a very limited time window to order BAHI models.
so my main question is this "should i bother?"
cuz so far i have read "its pretty decent and can find a place in army lists BUT"
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Post by paradox on Feb 5, 2020 13:20:44 GMT
I dont think its worth extra effort. Its just OK, and probably overcosted. Get a spare huge base and make a proxy.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Feb 5, 2020 14:02:19 GMT
the main reason for asking all of this has been due to the instability that i as a european player have atm. with brexit beeing an ACTUAL thing i have a very limited time window to order BAHI models. Might want to cash in on that during this year's Black Flag Friday deals?
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Post by privvy on Feb 5, 2020 14:56:49 GMT
His two best abilities are Direct Souls and Grave Resonance. The issue is if you're using one you are losing out on the other. Also true in our current meta lists. We really need to run models that can afford to die in masses to support all of our soul use. We just don't run lists that "recycle" well. If you're playing a list where you expect a lot of models to die, it's pretty fine, though, since you have more souls to go around. If I have 3 models (Sanctifier, HoS, Shrine) that can hold a total of 11 souls and 11 models die, like if I run Errants and Knights and other chaff, that's good for the 3 soul collecting models. If I'm playing Cinerators and only 2 or 3 die, that's really not a good list for my soul models. At that point, the bubbles probably overlap enough that you don't entirely need Direct Spirits. I think he actually would run best with Testament and HR, since he can give them the souls and then they can allocate if they have to. It's a 1:1 soul to focus no matter what, so it really isn't like you lose anything.
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Post by charlzheimer on Feb 5, 2020 15:07:44 GMT
the main reason for asking all of this has been due to the instability that i as a european player have atm. with brexit beeing an ACTUAL thing i have a very limited time window to order BAHI models. Might want to cash in on that during this year's Black Flag Friday deals? the what what?
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Post by Cyel on Feb 5, 2020 16:06:36 GMT
the main reason for asking all of this has been due to the instability that i as a european player have atm. with brexit beeing an ACTUAL thing i have a very limited time window to order BAHI models. so my main question is this "should i bother?" cuz so far i have read "its pretty decent and can find a place in army lists BUT" Just buy any cool tower model in proper scale and mount it on a CD.
It will probably be half the price as well.
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Post by greytemplar on Feb 6, 2020 3:06:25 GMT
Yeah, out of all the Black Anchor models the Shrine is probably the easiest to proxy. Just buy a generic tower, some greenstuff, and embrace your creativity. Maybe buy a Zealot Menofix bearer and have him preaching a sermon from a simple rock outcropping. Or buy a Vessel of Judgement and just take the wheels off. Those latter options would even be strictly tournament legal. And as long as it looks halfway decent nobody will care. Anyway, the main lists I use the Shrine in are Exemplar lists. Particularly with Harbinger. The shrine gives me extra margin for martyrdom. I had good use with it particularly in my Bastion spam list. The list is
Exemplar Interdiction
Harbinger -Crusader -Vanquisher Vessel Shrine Bastion Seneschal -Devout Warder Elias Gade(free) Exemplar Warder(Free) client:Harbinger Vassal Mechanik Max Bastions Knights Exemplar with UA The Bastions+Seneschal+Devout are a huge line of defensive strike weapon masters. Losing their combat action isn't so bad with defensive strike. Plus the entire line of Bastions all heal D3+1 each turn(devout heals D3). So even coming back with 1 hit point they often come back to full health.
Heavies don't want to touch the Bastions because there is a serious chance of them losing a system/aspect from even a single attack, and its often more than 1 attack. I've seen heavies go in and get fairly beat up while failing to kill any of them.
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Post by mydnight on Feb 6, 2020 3:38:33 GMT
I hate that the Shrine can't move. It tends to get in the way if it wants to be relevant. Would have been a great 10 point model. If only the Vessel of Judgement had the resurrection ability!
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