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Post by shadowpanther on Jan 17, 2020 1:07:42 GMT
Pretty simple question, who are considered the best skorne casters rn and why?
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shmeep
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Post by shmeep on Jan 17, 2020 9:17:47 GMT
Makeda3, Rasheth, Zaal2, maybe Zaadesh2.
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Post by coolguyclay on Jan 17, 2020 15:22:05 GMT
Zaal2 running Immortal Host with 1-2 Supreme Guardians. Good because SG's are just a strong battle engine, the list skews certain things (immovable, no living, great soul/resource economy), his feat is good in that list (basically a "time walk" depending who you play against). Agree with Makeda3 and Rasheth as well. Their list construction varies, but basically they can kill stuff and ask serious questions of your opponent. More than "can this Skorne list counter what they have", it's "will they be able to handle this?" That's a good place to be!  People have been liking Xerxis 2 with different beast loadouts (especially a Hydra and/or Siege Anamantarax) due to speed and feat. Jalaam is getting some good buzz too - he plays differently than most Skorne but has a bag of tools that gets things done! Really, Skorne is in a good spot right now. Many of our warlocks are viable in the right setting or with a tuned list. In general, people are tending to stay away from Morghoul 1, Naaresh, Xerkar, both Hexeris and Mordikaar but I think some of them are still fun so it's really up to personal opinion. Maybe those that follow the "ultra competitive meta and power lists of other factions" will want to expand more but if you're just playing locally there are many good options for a fun game! Also, go here: www.discountgamesinc.com/tournaments/?SID=fpho727qdot74upr1cpdqghd35 and click Skorne on the left. You can see some good pairings that placed at larger events. Even see what warlocks are used most often. Not a definite, but a place to keep looking. |
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Post by shadowpanther on Jan 18, 2020 7:14:21 GMT
Thanks for the input, Ive been playing 6 months bought a friends robust collection and have slowly been adding things like the hydra, siege turtle, and whatever else Ive found I need. I like the idea of Rash1 but have a hard time getting a list together for him cuz he's soo general. My entire meta is pretty new aside from a few players and I am surprised at the "hate" or lack of use of mordikaar, I've won a few surprising games with ghostly assassination after a void spirit cleared and entire unit.
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Post by shmeep on Jan 18, 2020 9:36:13 GMT
Thanks for the input, Ive been playing 6 months bought a friends robust collection and have slowly been adding things like the hydra, siege turtle, and whatever else Ive found I need. I like the idea of Rash1 but have a hard time getting a list together for him cuz he's soo general. My entire meta is pretty new aside from a few players and I am surprised at the "hate" or lack of use of mordikaar, I've won a few surprising games with ghostly assassination after a void spirit cleared and entire unit. Fatman's usually played in winds or warhost, he supports gunlines pretty well. The big meta build with him the past couple of months is 4 huge base - two supremes, a turtle and a mammoth, if I remember right. He also supports exalted decently, although I suspect that's more because of how overtuned they are. If you've got the models you should also experiment. I tried running him with a swarm of venators (x2 max Reivers+UA, x1 min Slingers, x1 Dakar) and it quickly became clear to me wht no one runs him with that many grunts. |
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Post by gordo on Jan 27, 2020 20:26:38 GMT
Morgul2 is usually considered pretty decent also. His feat is incredibly strong and Mortality is always an excellent spell.
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Post by jagius021 on Jan 29, 2020 12:39:24 GMT
When exalted dropped I tried playing each caster in the theme and lo and behold: many casters can play exalted well. Rasheth was my favorite but zaal 2 was also a ton of fun. Since your meta is new and you're probably on track for having fun rather than training for the ATC, grab xerxis 2. Your heavies are faster than your opponents and your lights are the speed of cavalry. It's a lot of fun.
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Post by coolguyclay on Jan 29, 2020 15:30:22 GMT
...Since your meta is new and you're probably on track for having fun rather than training for the ATC... This is an excellent point. Each local gaming meta is different and things that work in one may not always work at another. At big events people expect particular builds when facing another faction - that's the "meta game" they try to play and stay on top of. But at my local group we have 0 Archons, Grymkin or Infernals among our 6-8 players, let alone faction complete lists in any of our armies! Watching the lists used at big events and "net decking" might work for some S Tier casters and builds that are just over-tuned, but in general with a basically casual group, most anything plays well. Player skill has much more of an affect on the game than the "best casters or best lists". Find a caster and/or theme you like the look and concept of and go for it! Oh, and watch out for building too strong a list without alternatives. It can be a real downer for a group. One of our players made a nasty Devourer's Host (Circle) list and no one could beat it, so he took a break. I ran our scrum last year 4-0 with Zaal1 in Exalted and then stopped playing stones for a while. Thankfully we have collections that can support other lists because while finding the most powerful build against your group is fun sometimes, it can lead to having people not want to play! |
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Post by shadowpanther on Feb 1, 2020 19:58:24 GMT
...Since your meta is new and you're probably on track for having fun rather than training for the ATC... This is an excellent point. Each local gaming meta is different and things that work in one may not always work at another. At big events people expect particular builds when facing another faction - that's the "meta game" they try to play and stay on top of. But at my local group we have 0 Archons, Grymkin or Infernals among our 6-8 players, let alone faction complete lists in any of our armies! Watching the lists used at big events and "net decking" might work for some S Tier casters and builds that are just over-tuned, but in general with a basically casual group, most anything plays well. Player skill has much more of an affect on the game than the "best casters or best lists". Find a caster and/or theme you like the look and concept of and go for it! Oh, and watch out for building too strong a list without alternatives. It can be a real downer for a group. One of our players made a nasty Devourer's Host (Circle) list and no one could beat it, so he took a break. I ran our scrum last year 4-0 with Zaal1 in Exalted and then stopped playing stones for a while. Thankfully we have collections that can support other lists because while finding the most powerful build against your group is fun sometimes, it can lead to having people not want to play! Thats good advice, we are playing just for fun more than competitively at the moment, so you are right I am not looking for competitive tier lists like triple engine, it was more feeling out what casters I might want to consider over others and build out from there, I tend to build and play different lists week to week, one of my only lists I've repeated was my Morghoul assasination list with void spirit, despoiler and archidon which even that list ive only played 2 or 3 times. |
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Post by shmeep on Feb 1, 2020 23:16:41 GMT
This is an excellent point. Each local gaming meta is different and things that work in one may not always work at another. At big events people expect particular builds when facing another faction - that's the "meta game" they try to play and stay on top of. But at my local group we have 0 Archons, Grymkin or Infernals among our 6-8 players, let alone faction complete lists in any of our armies! Watching the lists used at big events and "net decking" might work for some S Tier casters and builds that are just over-tuned, but in general with a basically casual group, most anything plays well. Player skill has much more of an affect on the game than the "best casters or best lists". Find a caster and/or theme you like the look and concept of and go for it! Oh, and watch out for building too strong a list without alternatives. It can be a real downer for a group. One of our players made a nasty Devourer's Host (Circle) list and no one could beat it, so he took a break. I ran our scrum last year 4-0 with Zaal1 in Exalted and then stopped playing stones for a while. Thankfully we have collections that can support other lists because while finding the most powerful build against your group is fun sometimes, it can lead to having people not want to play! Thats good advice, we are playing just for fun more than competitively at the moment, so you are right I am not looking for competitive tier lists like triple engine, it was more feeling out what casters I might want to consider over others and build out from there, I tend to build and play different lists week to week, one of my only lists I've repeated was my Morghoul assasination list with void spirit, despoiler and archidon which even that list ive only played 2 or 3 times. if we're not talking just from a competitive perspective, I've had a lot of fun running Rasheth. Dark Rituals (and now the Immortal Vessel) allows him to arc spells from a lot of vectors, and figuring out who to catch in his feat bubble and when is also a big deal in his kit. Thematically it's also just kind of fun to have this fat Firetruck leading a skorne army. that being said, I think Makeda3 would probably be the most fun caster in skorne right now, haven't tried her yet, but she's very powerful, lots of forward presence, and very flexible. |
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