jarrow
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Post by jarrow on Jan 10, 2020 7:51:57 GMT
Newest Hengehold scroll talk about alliance between Cygnar and Trollblood. What if that means new cross faction theme?
For troll bloods that would obviously mean access to good ranged infantry and cygner would most likely need some hitting/staying power like champions or tuffalos. But how would the theme be:
I think only way make the theme work is keep battlegroups on their own and faction specific. I don't see how mixing beasts and jacks would work. Theme could most likely take at least one junior so trolls can take some cygnaran jacks.
Cygnar part would most like be trenchers as they have already troll in express team. Storm knight could be included, but most likely no stormsmiths. On troll part, I think at least kriel warriors, scattergunners and pyg's as they are part of the organized part of troll blood. Most likely no northkin stuff. Stone is a big question, as it is THE support unit in trolls that are given to every list, but it would need some rework to play with focus. I think also war wagon is included as well as blockhouse.
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Post by dickovdk on Jan 10, 2020 8:36:29 GMT
First off based on PPs way of doing stuff lately, I think a joined theme would require a few solos, maybe a unit or two that is added, purely for sales purposes. These I think could/would be similar to the Boomhowler idea (btw think he would be a natural part of it). This unit(s) could be Trencher Trollblood units maybe to bridge the cap with lightning ability, "jack marshall" Storm trolls?
Basically I think it would be guns from trolls (ie: Sluggers & Scattergunners), maybe even pyg tanks, and yes express team would make sense. As for warlocks/warcasters these should be pro-human ie. no doomy or borka and more of a military kind - so Grissel and Gunnbjörn - for cygnar dont know - Siege, Maddox?
Think the story would be something along the line of the fall of Clovis - the brave Cygnarian force, defend the city and from the north out of the woods come Grissel(3) General of the Kriel, with her force of elemental trolls to save the city... dont know something along those lines
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shmeep
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Post by shmeep on Jan 10, 2020 10:07:58 GMT
Marshals being able to take light beasts, ans being able to give drives and/or clear off a single fury could be interesting.
Raluk also comes to mind, being able to run cygnar 'jacks as a theme bonus.
Gunny2 woul make more sense than Grissel3, man (troll?) used to serve in the Cygnaran army, coming back takes him full circle.
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jarrow
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Post by jarrow on Jan 10, 2020 11:14:43 GMT
Warriors of old faith don't have any new model to sell. Just selling menoth stuff to khadoran players.
Grissel, gunnbjörn and Madrak are most obvious casters and from Hengehold scrolls Kreye is one one of the cygnaran ones. Siege and Stryker came to my mind first from cygnar but Maddox could also be included.
Gunny2 as dual faction caster same way as Oldwitch2 is?
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Post by dickovdk on Jan 10, 2020 11:50:02 GMT
I like the Gunny2 idea - yes make more sense than Grissel3
Also I think PP need to make a place for the storm troll
Slags are good due to many BE and constructs in the current version of WM/H
Pyre can do work with Horgle2 and Northkin Fire Eaters in two themes
Winter trolls are solid in Storm
So we need a storm theme and what more on the spot would it be to add a CygBlood theme with lightning as a theme
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shmeep
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Post by shmeep on Jan 10, 2020 12:14:08 GMT
I think cygnar has enough storm themes already, and with strange bedfellows thats already one electric cross-theme.
I'd also rather see a trencher focus, less storm blade/smith stuff. Stryker's not the right fit, imo.
I think no Northkin stuff, just a mix of pygs, infantry and scattergunners. Highwaymen are too bandity, champions and warders are sons of the kriels, not humanity.
Question is how do you make the theme distinct from Kriel Company without invalidating it?
Grissel1+2, Gunny 1+2
Pyg Bushwackers, Pyg Burrowers, Scattergunners+UA, Kriel Warriors, Boomhowler1
Raluk Moorclaw, Boomhowler2 maybe a new scattergunner solo
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Post by elricaltovilla on Jan 10, 2020 12:30:41 GMT
I'm assuming it'll be trencher themed as well, since Cygnar has trencher express teams that include a trollkin in them. It would be strange for the Cygnar/Troll theme to not include a Cygnar Troll model.
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Post by shmeep on Jan 10, 2020 12:40:06 GMT
Y'know what, an actual trollkin trencher unit could also be interesting, something along the lines of Trencher commandos. On a heavier chassis, and more melee focused, maybe.
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Post by droopingpuppy on Jan 10, 2020 13:30:56 GMT
I doubt that it will comes easily for fluffwise. They were allied because of the connection with Leto and Madrak, then Trollbloods were betrayed by Cygnar. Although Leto was not want to betray his sworn brother. And... even if Madrak want to use the connection again, but Leto is no longer the king now. His nephew is. Although Leto is the chancellor of his nephew.... Duke Ebonheart, the current warmaster general of Cygnar, is also the problem as well. Well, this is the dire times that even the followers of the Twin Gods are unite and fight alongside with each other. And Trollbloods no longer wants the land of Duke Ebonheart as well. So it would be possible at least. For gameplay, mixing Warmachine stuff and Hordes stuff would make some problems. But as long as battlegroups are not mixed(and it is unlikely) it would be fine. If I actually make the mixed list of Cygnar-Trollbloods combined force, and if they can consider each other to be friendly Faction, I can think....
Cygnar: -CHAMPIONS! Yeah, a real unit with damage box and are tough enough. Although we Cygnar also have Resolutes, but only for tanks and melee damage Champions can serves us well.
--Able to run a melee list much easier, thanks to capable Trollbloods melee forces. Cygnar have some good melee supporter casters, but faction melee units are sucks.
-Krielstone Bearer on Cygnar? +2 ARM buff for fragile Cygnar melee units and jacks that is not bypass by Blessed? Yes please. It also allows us to abuse it with Arcane Shield, or allow us to spare Arcane Shield on something other than our main heavy jacks - normally, our main heavy jack needs Arcane Shield to survive unless it is Centurion. -Pyg Lookouts will be the better Rangers, although I don't use the sucidial ranged accuracy buff run personally.
Trollbloods: -Can access for actual ranged units, such as Trencher Infantry and Trencher Long Gunners. Trollbloods is good at mid-range ranged attack, with Bombers, but their units lacks much ranged punchers. Trollbloods ranged units are always somewhat lacking, but Cygnar ranged units wil fix the problem. -Fix for ranged accuracy and Stealth issue by GMCA. Patrol Dog also fix the latter part.
-If Major Harrison Gibbs is available, you may heal all the champions at once, once per a game. -Tempest Blazers can clear out the enemy units, while battlegroups can clear out the hard targets. They are also the light cavalry, which Trollboods lacks.
And, if it would be come true, finally Captain Gunnbjorn can work with his old men again. That would be cool.
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Post by Kevin on Jan 10, 2020 14:02:22 GMT
Wouldnt like to kill the fun, but according to newest the meta podcast with Hungerford he said that there won't be cross system theme force
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shmeep
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Post by shmeep on Jan 10, 2020 14:17:30 GMT
Wouldnt like to kill the fun, but according to newest the meta podcast with Hungerford he said that there won't be cross system theme force Coward!!!!! |
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Post by elricaltovilla on Jan 10, 2020 14:20:53 GMT
Wouldnt like to kill the fun, but according to newest the meta podcast with Hungerford he said that there won't be cross system theme force I'm okay with that because it resurrects my hope for a Tharn Circle/Trollbloods Molgur theme. |
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Post by anoddman on Jan 10, 2020 17:00:18 GMT
I doubt that it will comes easily for fluffwise. Good thing it's already happened in the fluff! Calandra convinced the Kriels, Gunnbjorn brokered the deal, and in the last bit of fluff Kraye was fighting alongside Kriel Warriors and Sluggers. |
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Post by droopingpuppy on Jan 10, 2020 17:53:35 GMT
I doubt that it will comes easily for fluffwise. Good thing it's already happened in the fluff! Calandra convinced the Kriels, Gunnbjorn brokered the deal, and in the last bit of fluff Kraye was fighting alongside Kriel Warriors and Sluggers. It is good to hear that we can finally pay for the old debt. We are glad to do that. |
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jarrow
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Post by jarrow on Jan 13, 2020 5:58:26 GMT
I'm okay with that because it resurrects my hope for a Tharn Circle/Trollbloods Molgur theme. I could live with Borka2 and stalker. |
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