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Post by shadowpanther on Jan 8, 2020 20:58:39 GMT
So I love the way the character beasts (chiron, despoiler, molik karn & tiberion) look and seem like very cool models but when it really comes down to list building I compare them to the bronzeback titan vs molik or despoiler and its just really hard to warrant the points comparatively as they are squishier and at times dont even feel like they do mroe damage. Any thoughts on these models or ideas where they would fit in a list to outshine regular models at a lower cost?
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Post by coolguyclay on Jan 8, 2020 21:40:48 GMT
Their bonds really make them stand out and make the question harder. If you're using one of their personal warlocks they are really worth considering. Molik Karn's bond is probably the best as it really ups his mobility (his key factor over other killy beasts) - I find him hard to take without it. Despoiler's bond is the coolest but Mordikaar is not widely used - it's the list everyone wants to play but doesn't for some reason, as Void Spirits with Mordikaar are wild as well.
Outside of the bonded warlocks, I agree it is a hard question and especially with the Bronzeback which I think is our best beast : )
I've been seeing lists with Despoiler as a support beast (free upkeep is good and Dark Shroud helps others) and Tiberion is a very sturdy beast, especially in scenario play because he doesn't move. Might depend what holes those points are trying to fill. Nothing is killier than a Bronzeback, but certain aspects of the characters can be useful if a list is already killy enough.
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Post by shadowpanther on Jan 8, 2020 21:53:39 GMT
That makes a lot of sense, ive had some success with chiron in a hex2 list because of black spot, and Ive had success with a mordikaar assassination list where I ran archi, razor and ferox and went in on a caster kill and it ran despoiler but he ended up being more of a distraction away from my actual plan than a key focus of the list. Molik seems really good, but Ive always struggled to really get him into the fight without the worry of him trading down because hes not incredibly tanky like I am used to, and I think I may have only ever used 1 game and dont have strong memories of it either way. I only got into the game about 6-8 months ago
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Post by gordo on Jan 14, 2020 15:15:50 GMT
Chiron I would take with Xerxes2 (or possibly another caster) in a mostly Basilisk sprays for days list. Thanks to crazy proliferation of Shield Guards, sprays end up being the only shooting I think works reliably any more. Bonus is you don't need to slot in an Eyeless Sight giver...
Tiberion is amazing with Xerxes2. Like... I cry a little inside whenever I play Xerxes2 and don't run him. Between his insane durability, off the charts hitting power, immovability, overtake, and Shield Guard... In one round on feat turn, I had good old Tibbers single handedly take out a Victor, a full unit of Manowars, a Strike Tanker, and then finish it up by crit slamming Vlad2 out of the zone to score it. If I am considering a BB with Xerxes2 over Tibbers, it's because I need his fury management over a herd of Titans. But since my usual X2 list is dominated by Derples and sometimes a colossal, there's no need usually for that.
Despoiler had more value in the past for me because of Dark Shroud, but now that the Hermit and Void Spirit are available I'm not as keen to run him. I would consider him with a caster that really wants a lot of fury to use/camp because of the free upkeep he gives. So Morgul2 and Makeda3 (the latter really turns up his hitting power and comes with some good Shield Guards to help keep him alive). Also his animus can really help Makeda3 be a bully.
Molik Karn is great with any and every Makeda, but especially Makeda3. Again, I would only consider a BB over Molik with Makeda if I wanted to run a herd of Titans and needed good fury mgmt. But why would I ever do that with a Makeda?
I look for BBs when my list needs a bruiser to hit in a second wave and I don't have access to a stronger character beast and I still have caster Battlegroup points to spare. Otherwise I will just get one of our awesome Battle Engines instead. Or I'm running a Titan Herd, but those lists feel outdated and outshone by other lists these days.
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