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Post by Azahul on Dec 15, 2019 22:35:59 GMT
If anyone is interested in some Iron Kingdoms fiction, PP's launched a little lore Twitter account for telling microfiction-style stories of the Infernal invasion. The first one is basically a quick catch-up with Ashlynn, and I believe there are plans to tie in to next year's narrative league. I don't actually use Twitter myself, but at least I don't seem to need to have an account or anything to read it. Here's the link: twitter.com/HengeholdScroll
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Post by Azahul on Dec 20, 2019 0:00:27 GMT
Ok guys, first of all, fair warning, the Hengehold Scroll has spoilers for Stormbreak Probably to be expected, but FYI. Following on from that, we've had Calandra and Irusk each get mentions so far. And Irusk is apparently marching on... Caspia?
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Post by elricaltovilla on Dec 20, 2019 3:39:20 GMT
Ok guys, first of all, fair warning, the Hengehold Scroll has spoilers for Stormbreak Probably to be expected, but FYI. Following on from that, we've had Calandra and Irusk each get mentions so far. And Irusk is apparently marching on... Caspia? Good. I hope he burns it to the ground.
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Post by Azahul on Dec 20, 2019 3:41:04 GMT
Seems like that's been done, at least partially, already
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Post by zhoe on Dec 20, 2019 7:18:13 GMT
Ok guys, first of all, fair warning, the Hengehold Scroll has spoilers for Stormbreak Probably to be expected, but FYI. Following on from that, we've had Calandra and Irusk each get mentions so far. And Irusk is apparently marching on... Caspia? eh is goin to casspia to be pals, assahol
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Post by sand20go on Dec 30, 2019 17:11:18 GMT
Yeah - he is going there to talk to the southerners. Sad. my main man reduced to a message bearer. Maybe we get Irusk3 in a f'ing gun carriage.
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Post by privvy on Dec 30, 2019 21:52:07 GMT
Would be really nice to not put it on Twitter, since the character limits really break up the stories in very bad ways. I can't help but read a stutter or a weird, unfitting pause whenever I read them.
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Post by michael on Dec 30, 2019 23:37:20 GMT
Yeah - he is going there to talk to the southerners. Sad. my main man reduced to a message bearer. Maybe we get Irusk3 in a f'ing gun carriage. Irusk (along with Khador as a whole) was reduced to a caricature starting in the first Acts of War book.
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Post by Juris on Dec 31, 2019 0:07:30 GMT
Yeah - he is going there to talk to the southerners. Sad. my main man reduced to a message bearer. Maybe we get Irusk3 in a f'ing gun carriage. Irusk (along with Khador as a whole) was reduced to a caricature starting in the first Acts of War book. Khador, as a concept, has always been a caricature.
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Post by michael on Dec 31, 2019 3:56:22 GMT
Khador, as a concept, has always been a caricature. I disagree with that. The fiction may have started as "Evil Tsarist Russia!" because the setting needed conflict, but Khador developed into something more three-dimensional by the time of Apotheosis. Irusk's "going epic" story in Legends was the true turning point.
There were two or three obviously ordained-from-on-high "Khador must do this bad thing in order to keep the status quo" plot points in the MK II fiction, and I don't know what to say about that.
But Acts of War was villainy against established canon, with Khadoran characters doing evil for the sake of doing evil just to show the reader how evil Khador is and how wonderful and great and angelic Cygnar is. It was... I'm not even going to get started on this again.
It was frustrating to see 10 years of Seacat's stewardship thrown away. I'll leave it at that.
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Post by Charistoph on Dec 31, 2019 7:08:53 GMT
Yeah, there's no reason to have Khador being the mustache-twirler when you have factions like Cryx, Legion, and Skorne in the mix. Even some of the Mercenaries can be brought in to do the job, if necessary. Heck, there's more than a few of the overly-order-to-evil types in the other factions as well. Not saying that Khador shouldn't have a few mustache-twirlers (Butcher isn't known for his gentle nature, after all), but not all of them. I guess bad writing will tell.
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Post by charlzheimer on Dec 31, 2019 12:06:56 GMT
PP: "let us introduce the factions.
there is cygnar. they good. there is khador...they bad. there is the protectorate...religion is bad. there is cryx...undead bad. there are mercs...they...sort of bad...when not fighting for cygnar. there are also the convergence...they are mysterious..woooOOOOooo then there is the infernals. the totally evil bad guys."
random: "what about retribution?"
PP: "what about who now?"
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Post by michael on Dec 31, 2019 12:17:28 GMT
Yeah, there's no reason to have Khador being the mustache-twirler when you have factions like Cryx, Legion, and Skorne in the mix. Even some of the Mercenaries can be brought in to do the job, if necessary. Heck, there's more than a few of the overly-order-to-evil types in the other factions as well. Not saying that Khador shouldn't have a few mustache-twirlers (Butcher isn't known for his gentle nature, after all), but not all of them. I guess bad writing will tell. The wonderful thing about the shape of the fiction (prior to the first Acts of War, basically) was that most factions were presented as real and three-dimensional! Butcher in particular isn’t an evil guy; he’s just literally a ridiculously dangerous homicidal maniac who happens to be in charge of military assets... Skorne’s worldview and reason for behaving is well established, and within the usual fantasy “suspend just a little disbelief” guardrails, they are fine. Cryx and Legion are the most overtly evil factions, but Seacat (and Goetz, and Berman) did a solid job ascribing motivations to them beyond “we are the evil factions.” The really sad part is that Acts of War could have played out with the exact same plot points and had functionally same outcome without turning into a “look how evil and inept Khador is, good thing Cygnar is so much better!” farce. Gah. But I am really not going to drag myself down that rabbit hole again! (I care a lot and I find the perceived abuse frustrating.)
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Post by Juris on Dec 31, 2019 17:27:53 GMT
Yeah, there's no reason to have Khador being the mustache-twirler when you have factions like Cryx, Legion, and Skorne in the mix. Even some of the Mercenaries can be brought in to do the job, if necessary. Heck, there's more than a few of the overly-order-to-evil types in the other factions as well. Not saying that Khador shouldn't have a few mustache-twirlers (Butcher isn't known for his gentle nature, after all), but not all of them. I guess bad writing will tell. The wonderful thing about the shape of the fiction (prior to the first Acts of War, basically) was that most factions were presented as real and three-dimensional! Butcher in particular isn’t an evil guy; he’s just literally a ridiculously dangerous homicidal maniac who happens to be in charge of military assets... Skorne’s worldview and reason for behaving is well established, and within the usual fantasy “suspend just a little disbelief” guardrails, they are fine. Cryx and Legion are the most overtly evil factions, but Seacat (and Goetz, and Berman) did a solid job ascribing motivations to them beyond “we are the evil factions.” The really sad part is that Acts of War could have played out with the exact same plot points and had functionally same outcome without turning into a “look how evil and inept Khador is, good thing Cygnar is so much better!” farce. Gah. But I am really not going to drag myself down that rabbit hole again! (I care a lot and I find the perceived abuse frustrating.) So, within your schema of evil or not evil, are you defining evil based on mental state or actions? Because Butcher is 100% evil if we designate based on actus rea; he may or may not be evil if we designate based on mens rea.
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Post by michael on Dec 31, 2019 18:14:32 GMT
The wonderful thing about the shape of the fiction (prior to the first Acts of War, basically) was that most factions were presented as real and three-dimensional! Butcher in particular isn’t an evil guy; he’s just literally a ridiculously dangerous homicidal maniac who happens to be in charge of military assets... Skorne’s worldview and reason for behaving is well established, and within the usual fantasy “suspend just a little disbelief” guardrails, they are fine. Cryx and Legion are the most overtly evil factions, but Seacat (and Goetz, and Berman) did a solid job ascribing motivations to them beyond “we are the evil factions.” The really sad part is that Acts of War could have played out with the exact same plot points and had functionally same outcome without turning into a “look how evil and inept Khador is, good thing Cygnar is so much better!” farce. Gah. But I am really not going to drag myself down that rabbit hole again! (I care a lot and I find the perceived abuse frustrating.) So, within your schema of evil or not evil, are you defining evil based on mental state or actions? Because Butcher is 100% evil if we designate based on actus rea; he may or may not be evil if we designate based on mens rea. A little of both. But when we start dragging technical definitions into this, I think that’s beyond my scope of caring to engage further. Butcher has anger issues. He slips into ultraviolence both casually and unintentionally (Seacat’s work there was again superb) but it’s not as if he’s plotting to do bad things just because. Irusk did bad things in Escalation/Apotheosis/Legends but he had plausible justifications and motives. Fighting was his job. He was not needlessly cruel and ruthless. He had limits and his own sense of honor. The Acts of War Irusk was needlessly cruel, pointlessly wasteful, pointlessly dedicated to killing all Cygnarans ever JUST BECAUSE, and an astoundingly incompetent strategist and tactician. It was a mockery of the character.
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