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Post by Armchair Warrior on Dec 3, 2019 23:25:16 GMT
Now that the Void Archon is out, I want to try OW2 as a replacement caster for Vlad 2. I'm really interested in quadruple stacking debuffs with the addition of the Hermit and Archons. Also, to be self critical, I really don't think I've gotten the hang of Vlad's pie plates of nope, and I find my doomreavers are melting a bit too fast to guns. Show me your OW2 list, and let me know your experiences if you've tried it. I'm having trouble figuring out how to fit in everything I want...
This is the best I’ve come up with so far.
Khador - Old Witch 2 Wolves in the Void
Theme: Wolves of Winter 75 / 75 Army
Zevanna Agha, The Fate Keeper - WJ: +27 - Greylord Adjunct - PC: 0 - Destroyer - PC: 14 (Battlegroup Points Used: 14) - Juggernaut - PC: 13 (Battlegroup Points Used: 13)
Void Archon - PC: 8 Void Archon - PC: 8 Koldun Lord - PC: 4 Koldun Lord - PC: 4 Hermit of Henge Hold - PC: 5
Doom Reaver Swordsmen - Leader & 5 Grunts: 10 - Greylord Escort - PC: 3 Doom Reaver Swordsmen - Leader & 5 Grunts: 10 - Greylord Escort - PC: 3 Doom Reaver Swordsmen - Leader & 5 Grunts: 10 Doom Reaver Swordsmen - Leader & 5 Grunts: 10 Greylord Ternion - Leader & 2 Grunts: 0 Greylord Ternion - Leader & 2 Grunts: 0
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Post by jonnyboy on Dec 3, 2019 23:56:15 GMT
No Croe's Cutthroats?! The Victor is a hard sell, but this is what i got;
War Room Army
Khador - 04 - OW2 Wight of Winter
Theme: Wolves of Winter 75 / 75 Army
Zevanna Agha, The Fate Keeper - WJ: +27 - Greylord Adjunct - PC: 4 - Victor - PC: 34 (Battlegroup Points Used: 27)
Void Archon - PC: 8 Koldun Lord - PC: 0 Koldun Lord - PC: 0
Greylord Ternion - Leader & 2 Grunts: 0 Croe's Cutthroats - Leader & 9 Grunts: 16 - Koldun Kapitan Valachev - PC: 4 Doom Reaver Swordsmen - Leader & 5 Grunts: 10 - Greylord Escort - PC: 3 Doom Reaver Swordsmen - Leader & 5 Grunts: 10 - Greylord Escort - PC: 3 Doom Reaver Swordsmen - Leader & 5 Grunts: 10
THEME: Wolves of Winter ---
GENERATED : 12/03/2019 18:55:00 BUILD ID : 2089.19-07-18
The real meat here is getting some excellent use out of croe's who, on paper, are an insane unit. Stealth, repo 8", prey, backstab, with access to upwards of +6 in the list. They also act as a stealth cloud wall.
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Dec 4, 2019 2:30:48 GMT
No Croe's Cutthroats?! The Victor is a hard sell, but this is what i got; War Room Army Khador - 04 - OW2 Wight of Winter Theme: Wolves of Winter 75 / 75 Army Zevanna Agha, The Fate Keeper - WJ: +27 - Greylord Adjunct - PC: 4 - Victor - PC: 34 (Battlegroup Points Used: 27) Void Archon - PC: 8 Koldun Lord - PC: 0 Koldun Lord - PC: 0 Greylord Ternion - Leader & 2 Grunts: 0 Croe's Cutthroats - Leader & 9 Grunts: 16 - Koldun Kapitan Valachev - PC: 4 Doom Reaver Swordsmen - Leader & 5 Grunts: 10 - Greylord Escort - PC: 3 Doom Reaver Swordsmen - Leader & 5 Grunts: 10 - Greylord Escort - PC: 3 Doom Reaver Swordsmen - Leader & 5 Grunts: 10 THEME: Wolves of Winter --- GENERATED : 12/03/2019 18:55:00 BUILD ID : 2089.19-07-18 The real meat here is getting some excellent use out of croe's who, on paper, are an insane unit. Stealth, repo 8", prey, backstab, with access to upwards of +6 in the list. They also act as a stealth cloud wall. Yeah, I don’t actually own Croes. Victor is a hard sell with OW2. Tried it. Don’t love it.
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Post by jonnyboy on Dec 4, 2019 3:50:37 GMT
I don't own them either, but im having a hard time not buying them. Couldnt find a reason to like victor in the list, swapped him for alexia.
War Room Army
Khador - 04 - OW2 Wight of Winter
Theme: Wolves of Winter 75 / 75 Army
Zevanna Agha, The Fate Keeper - WJ: +27 - Greylord Adjunct - PC: 4 - Destroyer - PC: 14 (Battlegroup Points Used: 14) - Juggernaut - PC: 13 (Battlegroup Points Used: 13)
Void Archon - PC: 8 Koldun Lord - PC: 0 Koldun Lord - PC: 0 Alexia, Mistress of the Witchfire - PC: 7 - Thrall Warrior
Greylord Ternion - Leader & 2 Grunts: 0 Croe's Cutthroats - Leader & 9 Grunts: 16 - Koldun Kapitan Valachev - PC: 4 Doom Reaver Swordsmen - Leader & 5 Grunts: 10 - Greylord Escort - PC: 3 Doom Reaver Swordsmen - Leader & 5 Grunts: 10 - Greylord Escort - PC: 3 Doom Reaver Swordsmen - Leader & 5 Grunts: 10
THEME: Wolves of Winter ---
GENERATED : 12/03/2019 22:49:20 BUILD ID : 2089.19-07-18
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Post by borderprince on Dec 4, 2019 8:38:34 GMT
I've enjoyed:
OW2
-Destroyer
-Marauder
-Marauder
Doomreavers + UA
Doomreavers
Doomreavers
Doomreavers
Alexia1
Koldun Lord
Koldun Lord
Void Archon
Void Archon
OW2 can do so much that I always feel strapped for points with her. I'd like Orsus4 for a nasty solo, Ternions for some more shooting/recursion and the Adjunct for Guidance. But there just isn't room.
Void Archons are generally meant to be spot removal in the early-mid game, but then can start to use their ARM debuffs. Alexia1 is another late game piece. Partly because if a loaded up Alexia1 gets into charge range of pretty much anything she can take it out (start thinking about what Alexia1 with 20 Risen and a potentially -6ARM swing can do), including an opposing caster. Partly because even with protection against shooting, Doomreavers will die and I wanted something that will be able to do work after the main meat of the list has withered away.
Destroyer is more spot removal, but also credible in late game with the axe and debuffs.
Marauders do Marauder things.
One thing I should mention is that it is quite rare for me to stack all the debuffs onto a single target. I usually find it's better to get -2 or -4 swings on a few targets, rather than just focus on a single one. And try to use Void Archons against targets your jacks will be going after, not your Doomreavers. A berserking Doomreaver can do a fair bit of damage to a Void Archon, and with 2" melee reach it's hard to stop them being able to reach the Archon in that situation.
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Post by auraco on Dec 4, 2019 13:47:24 GMT
My first reflex would be to run something like this, the list is two point short, which is annoying tho... Khador [Theme] Wolves of Winter !!! This army contains pre-release entries. [Old Witch 2] Zevanna Agha, the Fate Keeper [+27] - Destroyer [14] - Juggernaut [13] - Greylord Adjunct [0(4)] Alexia, Mistress of the Witchfire [7] Koldun Lord [0(4)] Koldun Lord [4] Void Archon [8] Void Archon [8] Doom Reaver Swordsmen [10] - Greylord Escort [3] Doom Reaver Swordsmen [10] - Greylord Escort [3] Doom Reaver Swordsmen [10] Doom Reaver Swordsmen [10] Greylord Ternion [0(7)] I also ran this list a while ago, mostly for the lol of breaking the fluff of having void archons and infernalist partisan triggering righeous anger in a menite archon, all ran by what ever the old witch is. conflictchamber.com/?c3201b_-1Shz7pkWnj8h8hoLpipi73nf89nf89nnnnKhador [Theme] Wolves of Winter !!! This army contains pre-release entries. [Old Witch 2] Zevanna Agha, the Fate Keeper [+27] - Destroyer [14] - Juggernaut [13] - Greylord Adjunct [0(4)] Koldun Lord [4] Koldun Lord [4] Menite Archon [8] Void Archon [8] Void Archon [8] Croe's Cutthroats (max) [16] Doom Reaver Swordsmen [10] - Greylord Escort [3] Doom Reaver Swordsmen [10] - Greylord Escort [3] Greylord Ternion [0(7)] Greylord Ternion [0(7)] It worked surprisingly well and might be worth an other try, the list has more shooting than usual wolves list and everthing scales well with Old witch's kit my only grip with the list is boundless charge not working on the archons, but it's a minor issue really.
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Dec 4, 2019 14:13:12 GMT
My first reflex would be to run something like this, the list is two point short, which is annoying tho... Khador [Theme] Wolves of Winter !!! This army contains pre-release entries. [Old Witch 2] Zevanna Agha, the Fate Keeper [+27] - Destroyer [14] - Juggernaut [13] - Greylord Adjunct [0(4)] Alexia, Mistress of the Witchfire [7] Koldun Lord [0(4)] Koldun Lord [4] Void Archon [8] Void Archon [8] Doom Reaver Swordsmen [10] - Greylord Escort [3] Doom Reaver Swordsmen [10] - Greylord Escort [3] Doom Reaver Swordsmen [10] Doom Reaver Swordsmen [10] Greylord Ternion [0(7)] My list is strikingly similar but drops Alexia for the Hermit and a second unit of Ternion. I don’t think I want 3 models competing for souls and my instinct is that the OW really likes the Hermit and his toolkit. She keeps him alive, and he keeps her alive and makes her a lot more deadly. Also, I think I want the second unit of Ternion to improve my chances of pulling off recursion and providing cloud cover to key models to step up the ‘no shooting’ game. That said...Alexia is really good!
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Post by auraco on Dec 4, 2019 15:26:06 GMT
Yeah I noticed that. I'm not the biggest fan of the hermit in Wolves, he's too slow for my tastes in the list while Alexia and the thralls she creates have no problem keeping up with the rest of the list. That being said, the hermit is still an OP solo so if you expect the game to last for a while he's clearly going to get work done, most of the wolves list also doesn't care about the -2 armor, it's not like doom reavers care about the arm debuff.
As for 3 models wanting souls... I need to try it on the table but I don't think it will be a problem, this is wolves we are talking about, even when things are going well doom reavers still die in droves, so I think getting alexia2 and the archons their souls isn't going to be much of an issue.
I do like your inclusion of the second unit of ternion, I wouldn't base my plan around their recursion, but they generally do enough work to be worth the requisition choice.
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Post by welshhoppo on Dec 6, 2019 12:38:23 GMT
A-ha! OW2 wolves is my specialty. I took the old witch to the WTC and ran this list. conflictchamber.com/?c3101b_-1ShzkZnmnjpb8h8hnf89nf89nfnfnfnnnnnnKhador [Theme] Wolves of Winter [Old Witch 2] Zevanna Agha, the Fate Keeper [+27] - Rager [10] - Ruin [17] - Greylord Adjunct [4] Alexia, Mistress of the Witchfire [7] Koldun Lord [4] Koldun Lord [4] Doom Reaver Swordsmen [10] - Greylord Escort [3] Doom Reaver Swordsmen [10] - Greylord Escort [3] Doom Reaver Swordsmen [10] Doom Reaver Swordsmen [10] Doom Reaver Swordsmen [10] Greylord Ternion [0(7)] Greylord Ternion [0(7)] Greylord Ternion [0(7)] List plays pretty well into all things to be honest, it's surprisingly good into CG because you can affect the main guns of the Railless by choosing the direction of the scatter and reducing the range. But obviously you want to talk void archons. I understand. Now I'm of the opinion that Witch loves archons. I haven't played her with any yet as supplies in the UK have been low and I try to only play with models that I physically own. But that's sixteen points youre squeezing out of the list. Now I think if you want to run a single void then it's possible to keep in Alexia2 and run something like this. conflictchamber.com/?c3101b_-1ShzkRkZkZnjpb8h8hpinf89nf89nfnfnnnnnnKhador [Theme] Wolves of Winter !!! This army contains a pre-release entry. [Old Witch 2] Zevanna Agha, the Fate Keeper [+27] - Berserker [8] - Rager [10] - Rager [10] - Greylord Adjunct [4] Alexia, Mistress of the Witchfire [7] Koldun Lord [4] Koldun Lord [4] Void Archon [8] Doom Reaver Swordsmen [10] - Greylord Escort [3] Doom Reaver Swordsmen [10] - Greylord Escort [3] Doom Reaver Swordsmen [10] Doom Reaver Swordsmen [10] Greylord Ternion [0(7)] Greylord Ternion [0(7)] Greylord Ternion [0(7)] The idea is that you have a lot of recursion between Alexia getting the souls of dead reavers, and the old witch can protect the Ternion well enough that they can bring back more reavers to life by sucking out the souls of your enemies to repeat the cycle once more. Its also easy to drop Alexia2 for another archon, because I don't think there's enough models in the list to be able to effectively fuel 3 hungry soul collectors. That's my two cents with the witch.
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Post by thebuoyancyofwater on Dec 8, 2019 6:16:24 GMT
I'd be tempted to swap the battlegroup back to rager + Ruin and drop Alexia for the second void archon personally, but like the look of that overall!
Cheers, Dave
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Post by Phlushot on Dec 26, 2019 1:20:56 GMT
conflictchamber.com/?c3201b_-1Shz7q7skTnmnjhFoR8h8hpupipingnnnnKhador [Theme] Wolves of Winter !!! This army contains pre-release entries. [Old Witch 2] Zevanna Agha, the Fate Keeper [+27] - Devastator [14] - Kodiak [13] - Marauder [11] - Ruin [17] - Greylord Adjunct [4] Greylord Forge Seer [4] Hermit of Henge Hold [5] Koldun Lord [4] Koldun Lord [4] Orsus the Chained [0(7)] Void Archon [8] Void Archon [8] Greylord Outriders (min) [10] Greylord Ternion [0(7)] Greylord Ternion [0(7)] I've found this list quite capable thus far. Frankly more than I expected, although I have iterated on it a few times.
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Post by jonnyboy on Jan 3, 2020 11:57:27 GMT
So i've been playing more games with OW2 and building plently of lists. I've run into a obnoxious point place, 73/75. Solved this by downgrading my destroyer to a juggernaut and adding a UA. Not the biggest fan of the change because i really love my destroyer. I couldn't find another way to get my points to workout though.
War Room Army
Khador - 04 - Wight of Winter (v5)
Theme: Wolves of Winter 75 / 75 Army
Zevanna Agha, The Fate Keeper - WJ: +27 - Greylord Adjunct - PC: 4 - Ruin - PC: 17 (Battlegroup Points Used: 17) - Juggernaut - PC: 13 (Battlegroup Points Used: 10)
Void Archon - PC: 8 Alexia, Mistress of the Witchfire - PC: 7 - Thrall Warrior Koldun Lord - PC: 4 Koldun Lord - PC: 0
Greylord Ternion - Leader & 2 Grunts: 0 Greylord Ternion - Leader & 2 Grunts: 0 Doom Reaver Swordsmen - Leader & 5 Grunts: 10 - Greylord Escort - PC: 3 Doom Reaver Swordsmen - Leader & 5 Grunts: 10 - Greylord Escort - PC: 3 Doom Reaver Swordsmen - Leader & 5 Grunts: 10 - Greylord Escort - PC: 3 Doom Reaver Swordsmen - Leader & 5 Grunts: 10
THEME: Wolves of Winter ---
GENERATED : 01/03/2020 06:57:12 BUILD ID : 2089.19-07-18
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Post by jonnyboy on Jan 8, 2020 14:16:04 GMT
Changed up the list a bit. As much as i love Alexia 2 and Ruin, I wanted to fill in the the two points. I haven't tested this, but i managed to fit in a large amount of shooting. Added a third set of ternions, 2nd destroyer (really take advantage of puppet master and divination), and a thamarite archon.
2 destroyers, 2 koldun lords, 3 ternions, and a thamarite archons seems like a decent amount of shooting.
War Room Army
Khador - 04 - Wight of Winter (v6)
Theme: Wolves of Winter 75 / 75 Army
Zevanna Agha, The Fate Keeper - WJ: +27 - Greylord Adjunct - PC: 4 - Destroyer - PC: 14 (Battlegroup Points Used: 14) - Destroyer - PC: 14 (Battlegroup Points Used: 13)
Void Archon - PC: 8 Thamarite Archon - PC: 8 Koldun Lord - PC: 4 Koldun Lord - PC: 4
Greylord Ternion - Leader & 2 Grunts: 0 Greylord Ternion - Leader & 2 Grunts: 0 Greylord Ternion - Leader & 2 Grunts: 0 Doom Reaver Swordsmen - Leader & 5 Grunts: 10 - Greylord Escort - PC: 3 Doom Reaver Swordsmen - Leader & 5 Grunts: 10 - Greylord Escort - PC: 3 Doom Reaver Swordsmen - Leader & 5 Grunts: 10 Doom Reaver Swordsmen - Leader & 5 Grunts: 10
THEME: Wolves of Winter ---
GENERATED : 01/08/2020 09:13:04 BUILD ID : 2089.19-07-18
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Post by auraco on Jan 8, 2020 14:53:12 GMT
I like the list, I like the fairly big amount of shooting that was added. I also like the inclusion of the Thamarite archon in the list, haven't tried it on the table, but in theory it works pretty well with OW2.
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Post by sand20go on Jan 9, 2020 14:26:43 GMT
Changed up the list a bit. As much as i love Alexia 2 and Ruin, I wanted to fill in the the two points. I haven't tested this, but i managed to fit in a large amount of shooting. Added a third set of ternions, 2nd destroyer (really take advantage of puppet master and divination), and a thamarite archon. 2 destroyers, 2 koldun lords, 3 ternions, and a thamarite archons seems like a decent amount of shooting. War Room Army Khador - 04 - Wight of Winter (v6) Theme: Wolves of Winter 75 / 75 Army Zevanna Agha, The Fate Keeper - WJ: +27 - Greylord Adjunct - PC: 4 - Destroyer - PC: 14 (Battlegroup Points Used: 14) - Destroyer - PC: 14 (Battlegroup Points Used: 13) Void Archon - PC: 8 Thamarite Archon - PC: 8 Koldun Lord - PC: 4 Koldun Lord - PC: 4 Greylord Ternion - Leader & 2 Grunts: 0 Greylord Ternion - Leader & 2 Grunts: 0 Greylord Ternion - Leader & 2 Grunts: 0 Doom Reaver Swordsmen - Leader & 5 Grunts: 10 - Greylord Escort - PC: 3 Doom Reaver Swordsmen - Leader & 5 Grunts: 10 - Greylord Escort - PC: 3 Doom Reaver Swordsmen - Leader & 5 Grunts: 10 Doom Reaver Swordsmen - Leader & 5 Grunts: 10 THEME: Wolves of Winter --- GENERATED : 01/08/2020 09:13:04 BUILD ID : 2089.19-07-18 LOVE this list. Looking forward to brief battle reports as you play it into things.
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