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Post by mydnight on Nov 17, 2019 22:58:53 GMT
So, with access to Caine0 and Cormier in Heavy metal, most of our casters now gain access to a reliable pseudo telekinesis effect. Cormier doesn't even eat up a merc slot in HM.
I think someone like Siege1 would really appreciate something like this.
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sorokin
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Post by sorokin on Nov 20, 2019 8:42:06 GMT
Yeah, but consider this:
You could put FFE on a good model and not try to put a bandaid over a garbage model.
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Post by mydnight on Nov 20, 2019 8:59:34 GMT
Why do you consider preventing a huge based or large based model from charging a 'garbage model'? It has the added bonus of extending threat by 1" and increasing attack roll accuracy by 2, aside from also stopping ability like counter charging, etc. Seems like a flexible ability that will require the opponent to have a reliable shield guard. But it seems more flexible than an Eiryss bolt.
I agree that its weak without FFE or some damage buff, hence the post.
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Post by jagius021 on Nov 20, 2019 17:18:38 GMT
Have either of you proxied Cormier yet? This model is hardly weak. I don't know if I would commit to a package of enabling ffe on her but she's awesome on her own. If you're already in a list with good targets for ffe and can run her, it's a good choice for the option.
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Post by anoddman on Nov 20, 2019 17:58:14 GMT
I think it’s potentially worth it, especially if Caine0 can hotswap it. Threat extension, +2 to hit and denying charges is no joke.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Nov 21, 2019 8:28:58 GMT
I agree she needs FFE to be worth taking, although hot swapping between her and Siege leaves Caine0 potentially pretty vulnerable on 0 focus.
Tempted to try with Haley 2 to go really hard on piece denial
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Post by jagius021 on Nov 22, 2019 22:16:21 GMT
An advance deploy, speed seven, rat 7, stealth, true sight, repo 3 model with tough that mini tk's needs support to run? Y'all are greedy if you want this model to do anything else.
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Post by mydnight on Nov 22, 2019 22:58:51 GMT
An advance deploy, speed seven, rat 7, stealth, true sight, repo 3 model with tough that mini tk's needs support to run? Y'all are greedy if you want this model to do anything else. Can't be taken for free in Cygnar typically. Dies to a power 10. Basically anything that ignores stealth will trivially kill her. Wants to tk a hard target which she won't damage; for models she can damage tk is less useful. Personally I will bring her if I have vigilants, an easy damage buff, or FFE. Solo slots have tough competition. There's a reason Eiryss1 is a rare sight. |
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Post by MacGuffin on Nov 22, 2019 23:45:58 GMT
To keep her safe, you can hide her behind Resolutes in Heavy Metal with Throne(with FFE on Cormier, from Caine0 or Caine2), and use Throne's tactician to slide forward and shoot. Might be a good module.
Add a Morrowan Archon and bob's your uncle.
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Post by anoddman on Nov 23, 2019 6:46:59 GMT
An advance deploy, speed seven, rat 7, stealth, true sight, repo 3 model with tough that mini tk's needs support to run? Y'all are greedy if you want this model to do anything else. Can't be taken for free in Cygnar typically. Dies to a power 10. Basically anything that ignores stealth will trivially kill her. Wants to tk a hard target which she won't damage; for models she can damage tk is less useful. Personally I will bring her if I have vigilants, an easy damage buff, or FFE. Solo slots have tough competition. There's a reason Eiryss1 is a rare sight. She can be free in any Cygnar list. Granted, I don't think you'd usually want to burn your Merc slot on her, but you don't need to in 2 out of our 5 themes. I don't buy that she isn't survivable. DEF 15, Stealth and Dodge are pretty good defensive tech, especially when she's got Pathfinder. She'll usually be DEF 17-19 thanks to Repo 3". Solos have always been highly competitive with one another and she's no exception. I think people too often discount raw combat stats and abilities though--making her points back game to game won't likely be an issue. |
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Post by mydnight on Nov 23, 2019 6:57:32 GMT
Can't be taken for free in Cygnar typically. Dies to a power 10. Basically anything that ignores stealth will trivially kill her. Wants to tk a hard target which she won't damage; for models she can damage tk is less useful. Personally I will bring her if I have vigilants, an easy damage buff, or FFE. Solo slots have tough competition. There's a reason Eiryss1 is a rare sight. She can be free in any Cygnar list. Granted, I don't think you'd usually want to burn your Merc slot on her, but you don't need to in 2 out of our 5 themes. I don't buy that she isn't survivable. DEF 15, Stealth and Dodge are pretty good defensive tech, especially when she's got Pathfinder. She'll usually be DEF 17-19 thanks to Repo 3". Solos have always been highly competitive with one another and she's no exception. I think people too often discount raw combat stats and abilities though--making her points back game to game won't likely be an issue. I missed that she has dodge. Combined with high def and an archon in many of the lists she plays in that's actually decent. |
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Post by streetpizza on Nov 25, 2019 6:42:29 GMT
If you have a way of buffing the vigilants (snipe, fury, positive charge ect) they become excellent damage dealers and she's icing on the cake for that sweet sweet cloud and stealth ignoring shooting action.
She's not the right call every time but when she is, she's worth her points and then some.
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