zhoe
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Post by zhoe on Dec 23, 2019 7:03:59 GMT
teh lessars gets u mark de target and frank in sorm lits wich is purty gud Not enough to merit a spawning vessel. Edit: WHY AM I ACKNOWLEDGING SHOE!? dat post didn talk bout a spwaning vassel
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Post by bennep on Dec 24, 2019 9:47:17 GMT
To get back to the Farrow gargantuan:
If it isn't called the 'Frankenschwein' I am going to R I O T
Trollbloods/Circle theme is something I see quite possible. Legion & Skorne I'm having difficulties figuring something out though.
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Post by shmeep on Dec 24, 2019 11:10:46 GMT
To get back to the Farrow gargantuan: If it isn't called the 'Frankenschwein' I am going to R I O T Trollbloods/Circle theme is something I see quite possible. Legion & Skorne I'm having difficulties figuring something out though. I also thought about a a Molgur reunion, but TBs have long abandoned the wurm, plus the TB/circle schism. Trolls fighting alongside Tharn sound extremely cool, I'll admit, but it'd be a real pain to justify both in lore and in balance. The 'theme' of oblivions themes so far has been uniting over old ties, so Molgur is an easy conclusion to reach, but that's meta thinking. Similarly I'd like to see Ret+Skorne, in the lore it's not a huge reach to say they're essentially elven exiles/dark elves, and I'd like to see how PP tackle mixing WMH into a single army. The issue with a TB+farrow list is you'd have to add a lot of exclusive content, otherwise it'll be a strictly inferior DoA.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Dec 24, 2019 12:02:30 GMT
and I'd like to see how PP tackle mixing WMH into a single army. Shouldn't be too hard. Warlocks wouldn't be able to take Warjacks and Warcasters won't be able to take Warbeasts. So it's just the same old battlegroup with new options for solos/units/battle engines.
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Post by shmeep on Dec 24, 2019 12:24:19 GMT
and I'd like to see how PP tackle mixing WMH into a single army. Shouldn't be too hard. Warlocks wouldn't be able to take Warjacks and Warcasters won't be able to take Warbeasts. So it's just the same old battlegroup with new options for solos/units/battle engines. What about juniors? 'Jacks being able to benefit from animi could be interesting.
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Post by charlzheimer on Dec 24, 2019 12:48:41 GMT
To get back to the Farrow gargantuan: If it isn't called the 'Frankenschwein' I am going to R I O T Trollbloods/Circle theme is something I see quite possible. Legion & Skorne I'm having difficulties figuring something out though. i'm also very ok with the idea of the farrow gargantuan beeing just a insanely large boar. nothing bipedal. just a giant Hogg with insane tusks. a giant "Gullinbursti" if you will. edit: wich synergizes with farrow valkyries...Cuz reasons.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Dec 24, 2019 12:56:00 GMT
Similarly I'd like to see Ret+Skorne, in the lore it's not a huge reach to say they're essentially elven exiles/dark elves I thought the Nyss were the dark elves?
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shmeep
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Post by shmeep on Dec 24, 2019 14:05:09 GMT
Similarly I'd like to see Ret+Skorne, in the lore it's not a huge reach to say they're essentially elven exiles/dark elves I thought the Nyss were the dark elves? Nyss are more like wood/sea elves, if we're sticking with the DnD/GW comparison. It's never strictly said that the Skorne are elves, but if you look at the lore they've been living and raiding on the edges of Lyoss long before any of the other races were around (possibly even the dwarves, I'm not sure). As far as I'm aware none of the races in Immoren evolved naturally, they were all created by one or another god, and since the Skorne are godless I see a few possibilities - the gods that created them were either killed (by the wilds of Urcaen or by the elven gods), they're Elves that were cast out for various crimes or for being ugly, They're proto-elves that were cast away after creation because they weren't sexy enough, or they're elves who became heretics and disavowed the gods without realizing the terrible consequences this would have. Or maybe they're just extremely distant relatives of Cyclops/Rhynodons and convergent evolution made them look like elves, what do I Firetrucking know. But this means that in Immoren all dogs go to hell.
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Post by elricaltovilla on Dec 24, 2019 16:29:48 GMT
To get back to the Farrow gargantuan: If it isn't called the 'Frankenschwein' I am going to R I O T Trollbloods/Circle theme is something I see quite possible. Legion & Skorne I'm having difficulties figuring something out though. I also thought about a a Molgur reunion, but TBs have long abandoned the wurm, plus the TB/circle schism. Trolls fighting alongside Tharn sound extremely cool, I'll admit, but it'd be a real pain to justify both in lore and in balance. The 'theme' of oblivions themes so far has been uniting over old ties, so Molgur is an easy conclusion to reach, but that's meta thinking. Similarly I'd like to see Ret+Skorne, in the lore it's not a huge reach to say they're essentially elven exiles/dark elves, and I'd like to see how PP tackle mixing WMH into a single army. The issue with a TB+farrow list is you'd have to add a lot of exclusive content, otherwise it'll be a strictly inferior DoA. Nah, all you need is for some schism between the Tharn and the Circle Orboros. Maybe Doomshaper arranges it as revenge for them trying to kill Madrak. Or maybe Kromac just up and says "I've got Rathrok now, so I'm going to go make my own circle, with blackjack and hookers!" Idk, I'm not a lore expert.
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Post by shmeep on Dec 24, 2019 17:44:28 GMT
I also thought about a a Molgur reunion, but TBs have long abandoned the wurm, plus the TB/circle schism. Trolls fighting alongside Tharn sound extremely cool, I'll admit, but it'd be a real pain to justify both in lore and in balance. The 'theme' of oblivions themes so far has been uniting over old ties, so Molgur is an easy conclusion to reach, but that's meta thinking. Similarly I'd like to see Ret+Skorne, in the lore it's not a huge reach to say they're essentially elven exiles/dark elves, and I'd like to see how PP tackle mixing WMH into a single army. The issue with a TB+farrow list is you'd have to add a lot of exclusive content, otherwise it'll be a strictly inferior DoA. Nah, all you need is for some schism between the Tharn and the Circle Orboros. Maybe Doomshaper arranges it as revenge for them trying to kill Madrak. Or maybe Kromac just up and says "I've got Rathrok now, so I'm going to go make my own circle, with blackjack and hookers!" Idk, I'm not a lore expert. Kromac gets into a big fight with Morvahnna and withdraws partially from the circle, so you don't even need that. I don't know under what circumstances Kromac stole Rathrok from Madrak, but the two bonding over the circle betrayal/disdain towards them could make sense. Tbh I just want PP to put Champs and Ravagers in the same theme so the former get buffed.
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Post by Charistoph on Dec 24, 2019 17:45:32 GMT
Shouldn't be too hard. Warlocks wouldn't be able to take Warjacks and Warcasters won't be able to take Warbeasts. So it's just the same old battlegroup with new options for solos/units/battle engines. What about juniors? 'Jacks being able to benefit from animi could be interesting. Most animi tend to be either SELF or Warbeast as a target, so...
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Post by shmeep on Dec 24, 2019 18:59:05 GMT
What about juniors? 'Jacks being able to benefit from animi could be interesting. Most animi tend to be either SELF or Warbeast as a target, so... What I meant is something like adding a little clause in the theme benefits, something like 'friendly warjacks may benefit from friendly animi'. And everyone being treated as friendly faction to avoid any confusion, of course.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Dec 30, 2019 7:32:58 GMT
What I meant is something like adding a little clause in the theme benefits, something like 'friendly warjacks may benefit from friendly animi'. And everyone being treated as friendly faction to avoid any confusion, of course. I really don't think it would work that way. Animi are very specifically wild magic, I guess it could be seen a bit like a spontaneous, temporary mutation. It wouldn't work with any kind of "civilized" machines. If a theme like that were to exist, I think it would be most likely that you could mix and match but the two entities would stay clearly separate. @circle+Skorne discussion: the Tharn breaking away from circle and teaming up with Doomshaper and the Dire Trolls would actually seem plausible. Both are closer to the Wurm than they are to Dhunia and it's been long hinted that the Blackclads are only manipulating the Tharn to further their own goals, so them finding out and setting off to find new allies does seem plausible.
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Post by elricaltovilla on Dec 30, 2019 18:28:09 GMT
With the addition of Dire Trolls and Troll Kings to the armies of the Kriels, I think they are a lot more attuned to the Wurm than the trolls were previously. Doomshaper certainly has the right attitude for it.
The question is, how does one balance Trolls and Circle models with each other? Because Tharn are kind of overtuned right now (IMO), and trolls are kind of undertuned, I worry you'd just end up seeing full Circle lists with a Mauler tacked on for access to Rage. But I don't play circle so I may be off base.
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Post by gupp on Dec 31, 2019 23:49:52 GMT
The hengehold scroll seems to hint at a troll/cygnar/ Khador alliance. Also, would Leto become a playable unit?
That leaves everblight, circle, skorne, grymkin.
What on earth would a grim kin ally be? Maybe circle? Old witch was a Druid once, right? She’s certainly aware of the infernals, they might be her preferred style of allies.
That would leave a hypothetical skorne/ everblight alliance. I think skorne is most likely to have a more “survival only” type ally
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