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Helga2
Dec 19, 2019 23:13:09 GMT
Post by gobber on Dec 19, 2019 23:13:09 GMT
That field marshal is also interesting when your beasties frenzy. IIRC darklegacy has ruled that reposition does trigger. Given there haven't been any frenzy-capable cav before, we'd probably need a new ruling on whether a frenzying model with 3" to charge can also make impact attacks (it's not an assault or bought attack, and frenzying models are required to contact their target's base if possible so it seems like it would trigger). At the very least, it makes the offturn of a previously primaled heavy surprisingly useful, getting a shake, possibly an impact, a boosted gore with possible knockdown, then a reposition.
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Helga2
Dec 19, 2019 23:27:10 GMT
Post by Azahul on Dec 19, 2019 23:27:10 GMT
I believe they reversed that ruling and made it so that Frenzying Warbeasts couldn't do anything optional while Frenzying. There was a change that made it so that a Frenzying Warbeast could no longer Overtake with the WWFF benefit, for example, and I think the same logic would apply to Impact Attacks and Reposition.
Edit: If a Warbeast can Frenzy and then Reposition, then Arkadius can add 3" to his threat ranges by including Boomhowler... surely that's not a thing?
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Helga2
Dec 20, 2019 20:56:09 GMT
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Post by Corrupted Bauer on Dec 20, 2019 20:56:09 GMT
It’s a whole thing of you can trigger abilities like repo or overtake, it’s just since they say “you can ...” that they are optional and you don’t do anything or take advantage of them.
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Helga2
Jan 9, 2020 5:10:15 GMT
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Post by Azahul on Jan 9, 2020 5:10:15 GMT
No spoilers in today's Dev Chat sadly, but we will apparently see them for Helga2 in next week's
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Helga2
Jan 11, 2020 4:41:47 GMT
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Post by Corrupted Bauer on Jan 11, 2020 4:41:47 GMT
LoS podcast Hungerford was on
Feat was said. When a friendly model hits an attack, at the end of their activation they can make a full advance ignoring free strikes.
And she will have some way to increase the speed of her entire BG.
Also "her feat is not the most powerful part of her kit"
And she has flashing blade
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Helga2
Jan 11, 2020 7:46:50 GMT
Post by custardboy on Jan 11, 2020 7:46:50 GMT
That's a decent enough feat assuming it works on ranged attacks, but quite time consuming. If it doesn't stack with reposition/sprint it will be shockingly poor as she already has that as a field marshal. She'll need some kind of delivery ability for her BG, if it's a standard movement buff (escort?) that should be alright. Flashing blade+Engine of Destruction is nice. Maybe she'll have a way to get cheaper spells? Of course, being a pig warlock, no-one should hold their breath for the rules to form a cohesive whole
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Helga2
Jan 11, 2020 11:57:35 GMT
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Post by Azahul on Jan 11, 2020 11:57:35 GMT
Besides Escort, Warpath is an obvious choice that springs to mind (and would be super enticing, that allows for a *lot* of hit and run shenanigans, even a War Hog could Sprint 7" with Repo and Warpath and Overtake... let alone with that Feat). Mobility is unlikely thanks to Carver. Only other battlegroup-wide speed increase that comes to mind off the top of my head is Alpha Hunter, which I can kind of see?
Boy I hope it's Warpath but after thinking through the implications I can't imagine we'd be that lucky.
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Helga2
Jan 11, 2020 12:15:09 GMT
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Post by Azahul on Jan 11, 2020 12:15:09 GMT
I wouldn't expect her Feat to stack with Repo though. Need to see the wording to be sure but that sounds like the same as Sprint. Both trigger at the same time but you can't resolve both because the activation ends after one.
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Helga2
Jan 11, 2020 15:11:45 GMT
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Post by Corrupted Bauer on Jan 11, 2020 15:11:45 GMT
So He did say yes it’s off any attack (melee, ranged, magic). And honestly it makes sense that it isn’t the most powerful feat even though it’ll still probably decide quite a few games with its use. Yo-yo feats are inherently strong even without much wording
Also mobility is probably off the table because it affects the whole BG including Helga and implications of going +4 spd might not be healthy. Escort and warpath both say warbeasts only, but if she could have a unique one that hits battle engines also that’d be nice
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Helga2
Jan 12, 2020 6:32:45 GMT
Post by Azahul on Jan 12, 2020 6:32:45 GMT
Actually relistening to the Podcast they specifically say that Mobility is off the table.
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Helga2
Jan 12, 2020 22:01:49 GMT
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Post by Azahul on Jan 12, 2020 22:01:49 GMT
19 points is a lot to spend on this, of course, but seeing as I don't expect Helga's bat to be RNG 2 and her list is likely to contain a Meat Thresher or two, Mire and a Swamp Horror may be worth consideration to maximise the value of Flashing Blade/the Meat Thresher's melee attack.
If it means Helga finds herself in position to kill two enemy heavies and then run away to safety (if she's speed 8 base then that would be a 15" threat and put her at least 12" from the nearest enemy model) a bit more often then I feel it would be a fun choice at the very least.
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Helga2
Jan 13, 2020 10:18:22 GMT
Post by charlzheimer on Jan 13, 2020 10:18:22 GMT
horsepower will be rather funky on all those heavies we got. 14" threath roadhogs? or am i mis reading it?
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Helga2
Jan 13, 2020 10:26:00 GMT
Post by Azahul on Jan 13, 2020 10:26:00 GMT
horsepower will be rather funky on all those heavies we got. 14" threath roadhogs? or am i mis reading it? Where did you see that she had Horsepower?
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Helga2
Jan 13, 2020 12:07:50 GMT
Post by charlzheimer on Jan 13, 2020 12:07:50 GMT
horsepower will be rather funky on all those heavies we got. 14" threath roadhogs? or am i mis reading it? Where did you see that she had Horsepower? leaker on a warmahordes discord channel. Helga2 Bat has brain damage Flashing Blade, Engine of Destruction, Primed, Horsepower Hog wild = bg plus meat freshers gain cav/mount attacks/repo3/pathfinder Feat is army wide refuge he has been mostly correct in his leaks so far. i saw that most things overlapped in the original post so i thought i saw it said horsepower aswell.
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Helga2
Jan 13, 2020 12:23:06 GMT
Post by Azahul on Jan 13, 2020 12:23:06 GMT
Hmmmm, well I don't hate it if it does turn out to be accurate. Not an upkeep, so it doesn't muck with and potentially cause order of activation issues with the "Put Primed on Helga" plan. Not particularly expensive either, which is a blessing if she turns out to still be Fury 6. The main downside is that it's a movement buff rather than a speed buff, so no synergy with the Feat.
Was that all of the leaked spoilers? Any indication of her stats? It does look like they got the name of Helga's "stuff becomes cavalry" rule wrong, so I'm not 100% convinced that it's accurate, but hey need something to tide my brain over until the full spoilers come out in a couple of days.
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