trying to build armies.

charlzheimer
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trying to build armies. Oct 27, 2019 12:22:50 GMT

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Post by charlzheimer on Oct 27, 2019 12:22:50 GMT

currently prepping and building my armies of miniatures.
i plan on assembling and painting most of these before playing but i'm still struggling with how to build army lists for our 3 infernal masters.

I got a draft idea based on their FEAT, abilities and spell line up and i have playtested the omodamos list (but with a gate).

any feedback.

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Infernals

[Theme] Dark Legacy

!!! This army contains pre-release entries.

[Agathon 1] Agathon, The Voice in the Darkness [+28]

- Foreboder [4]

- Foreboder [4]

- Foreboder [4]

- Soul Stalker [13]

- Soul Stalker [13]

- Lord Roget d'Vyaros [4]

Eilish Garrity, the Dark Seeker [5]

Great Princess Regna Gravnoy [0(6)]

Hermit of Henge Hold [5]

The Wretch [4]

The Wretch [4]

The Wretch [4]

Umbral Guardian [0(6)]

Umbral Guardian [0(6)]

Valin Hauke, The Fallen Knight [7]

Croe's Cutthroats (max) [16]

Cultist Band (max) [7]

- Dark Sentinel (2) [4]

- Master Preceptor Orin Midwinter [4]

Infernals

[Theme] Dark Legacy

!!! This army contains pre-release entries.

[Omodamos 1] Omodamos, The Black Gate [+28]

- Lamenter [7]

- Lamenter [7]

- Tormentor [12]

- Tormentor [12]

- Lord Roget d'Vyaros [4]

Eilish Garrity, the Dark Seeker [0(5)]

Great Princess Regna Gravnoy [0(6)]

The Wretch [4]

The Wretch [4]

Umbral Guardian [0(6)]

Valin Hauke, The Fallen Knight [7]

Cultist Band (max) [7]

- Dark Sentinel (2) [4]

- Master Preceptor Orin Midwinter [4]

Howlers (max) [15]

Howlers (max) [15]

Infernals

[Theme] Dark Legacy

!!! This army contains pre-release entries.

[Zaateroth 1] Zaateroth, The Weaver of Shadows [+26]

- Foreboder [4]

- Foreboder [4]

- Soul Stalker [13]

- Tormentor [12]

- Lord Roget d'Vyaros [0(4)]

Alain Runewood, Lord of Ash [0(5)]

The Wretch [4]

The Wretch [4]

The Wretch [4]

Cultist Band (min) [5]

- Dark Sentinel (3) [0(6)]

Cultist Band (max) [7]

- Master Preceptor Orin Midwinter [4]

Griever Swarm (max) [14]

Griever Swarm (max) [14]

Infernal Gate [12]

thelat Junior Strategist Posts: 480	trying to build armies. Oct 29, 2019 0:21:57 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by thelat on Oct 29, 2019 0:21:57 GMT Why do you favor Soul Stalkers over Tormentors with Agathon?

whaleman
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trying to build armies. Oct 29, 2019 6:56:34 GMT

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Post by whaleman on Oct 29, 2019 6:56:34 GMT

Your Omodamos list I think would be pushed to 11 with an Infernal Gate. The gate can bring back Howlers which can be healed by the cultists and are tough no kd with Valin. For Agathon I agree with thelat in that I wonder why you favor Soul Stalkers over Tormenters. Is it that the Soul Stalkers can get you more souls? I would personally bring the Infernal Gate with Agathon as well mostly because summoning is expensive.

charlzheimer
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trying to build armies. Oct 29, 2019 8:22:29 GMT

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Post by charlzheimer on Oct 29, 2019 8:22:29 GMT

Oct 29, 2019 1:21:57 GMT 1 thelat said:

Why do you favor Soul Stalkers over Tormentors with Agathon?

speed, stealth and souls.
am i wrong to assume this?

Oct 29, 2019 6:56:34 GMT whaleman said:

Your Omodamos list I think would be pushed to 11 with an Infernal Gate. The gate can bring back Howlers which can be healed by the cultists and are tough no kd with Valin. For Agathon I agree with thelat in that I wonder why you favor Soul Stalkers over Tormenters. Is it that the Soul Stalkers can get you more souls? I would personally bring the Infernal Gate with Agathon as well mostly because summoning is expensive.

I honestly wouldn't know what to cull in the omodamos list for the gate.
last time i played the list it was with 4 flayers and no regna.

this cleaning up quite a few bit of points wich allowed the gate in that itteration.

any suggestions on what to cut on the omodamos list? cuz not sure on cutting regna.

Last Edit: Oct 29, 2019 9:09:58 GMT by charlzheimer

thelat
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trying to build armies. Oct 29, 2019 15:28:12 GMT via mobile

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Post by thelat on Oct 29, 2019 15:28:12 GMT

Oct 29, 2019 8:22:29 GMT charlzheimer said:

Oct 29, 2019 1:21:57 GMT 1 thelat said:

Why do you favor Soul Stalkers over Tormentors with Agathon?

speed, stealth and souls.
am i wrong to assume this?

Speed 7 on a heavy is really nice and the soul collecting isn't nothing, but it more fuels Agathon's arcane might than being a clear strategy to victory. Thanks to the Wretch, stealth on a heavy isn't special.

The problem starts to come on with the defensive stats. 13/16 with no DEF buffs isn't very survivable. This clocks in at the same as the Nephilim Soldier. 2 charging Knights Exemplar have a solid chance of killing a Soul Stalker and if the opposing army has solutions to stealth, anti-infantry ranged units can kill it when Regna isn't up upkeeping Deceleration. Lastly, it doesn't hit very hard and needs armor debuffs to be decent. The Tormentor is already decent on damage and survivability. You can make either work, but it's harder with the Soul Stalker.

All that said about survivability, they are very hard to kill under Zaateroth's feat.

As a final thought, I saw the design for the Soul Stalker in CID and my first thought was, "This is a light. Why is it a heavy?"

charlzheimer
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trying to build armies. Oct 29, 2019 15:45:50 GMT

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Post by charlzheimer on Oct 29, 2019 15:45:50 GMT

Oct 29, 2019 15:28:12 GMT thelat said:

Oct 29, 2019 8:22:29 GMT charlzheimer said:

speed, stealth and souls.
am i wrong to assume this?

Speed 7 on a heavy is really nice and the soul collecting isn't nothing, but it more fuels Agathon's arcane might than being a clear strategy to victory. Thanks to the Wretch, stealth on a heavy isn't special.

The problem starts to come on with the defensive stats. 13/16 with no DEF buffs isn't very survivable. This clocks in at the same as the Nephilim Soldier. 2 charging Knights Exemplar have a solid chance of killing a Soul Stalker and if the opposing army has solutions to stealth, anti-infantry ranged units can kill it when Regna isn't up upkeeping Deceleration. Lastly, it doesn't hit very hard and needs armor debuffs to be decent. The Tormentor is already decent on damage and survivability. You can make either work, but it's harder with the Soul Stalker.

All that said about survivability, they are very hard to kill under Zaateroth's feat.

As a final thought, I saw the design for the Soul Stalker in CID and my first thought was, "This is a light. Why is it a heavy?"

i have no experience playing soulstakers but now that i think about it.
an examplar knight duo can kill most lights. they could kill/cripple a soulstalker.

and with the eyeless sight objective...stealth is losing its edge a bit.

i'll swap them out for tormenters and see if i can squirm a gate in there.

maybe drop down to 2 foreboders?

thelat Junior Strategist Posts: 480	trying to build armies. Oct 29, 2019 17:01:15 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by thelat on Oct 29, 2019 17:01:15 GMT I definitely feel like you'll be OK with just two foreboders.

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trying to build armies. Nov 1, 2019 11:47:12 GMT

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Post by whaleman on Nov 1, 2019 11:47:12 GMT

As far as Omodamos this is what I would run. I played it a few times in CID and it was a monster now I am just waiting for the models to release.
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Infernals
[Theme] Dark Legacy

!!! This army contains pre-release entries.

[Omodamos 1] Omodamos, The Black Gate [+28]
- Lamenter [7]
- Lamenter [7]
- Lamenter [7]
- Lamenter [7]
- Lord Roget d'Vyaros [4]
Great Princess Regna Gravnoy [0(6)]
Hermit of Henge Hold [0(5)]
Nicia, Hound of the Abyss [4]
Umbral Guardian [0(6)]
Valin Hauke, The Fallen Knight [7]
Cultist Band (max) [7]
- Master Preceptor Orin Midwinter [4]
Cultist Band (max) [7]
Howlers (max) [15]
Howlers (max) [15]
Infernal Gate [12]

The solos could be swapped out for what you feel you need and the battlegroup as well. This list is all about the Howlers who will be DEF 14 ARM 19 usually with Tough no KD. The gate will be able to bring them back, the cultists can also heal them. You will probably summon a Desolator on the way in and than Tormentors for the rest of the game. The four lamenters setup is great because it gives their debuff good coverage and having a few of them is great for getting Synergy stacked. As far as solo choices I almost always bring the Hermit because he is a super cultist who can hold a flag in last into the late game to be summoned off of. Orin gives arcane vortex and sweet rerolls. Nicia is fast and stealth so she can get to interesting places for summoning. Roget is obvious and Regna is obvious. Beyond recursion the Gate also gives Omodamos a huge threat especially on feat turn and it allows for Omodamos to summon a heavy every turn without stressing (With a little help from Roget and the Hermit).

trying to build armies.

Post by charlzheimer on Oct 27, 2019 12:22:50 GMT

Post by thelat on Oct 29, 2019 0:21:57 GMT

Post by whaleman on Oct 29, 2019 6:56:34 GMT

Post by charlzheimer on Oct 29, 2019 8:22:29 GMT

Post by thelat on Oct 29, 2019 15:28:12 GMT

Post by charlzheimer on Oct 29, 2019 15:45:50 GMT

Post by thelat on Oct 29, 2019 17:01:15 GMT

Post by whaleman on Nov 1, 2019 11:47:12 GMT