sorokin
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Post by sorokin on Oct 24, 2019 13:00:40 GMT
See title. The two of them were spoiled in the lastest Dev chat.
MacHorn has some see rules, mainly having two 3" range P+S 14 rocket fists with combo strike and dismantle, as well as Drive: Dismantle.
Obvious synergies with Freebooters and Manglers in Irregulars, but even a Mariner or swabber can be good with her as Dismantle applies to both melee and ranged attacks. As Mangler or MAriner threshing a bunch of immortals sounds amazing!
Gaspy4, for those of you that dont know, will be a mercenary battlegroup controller unit. The unit will be composed of the man himself as well as annihilation servitors, who have murderous and dark shroud. He can replace fallen servitors in his maintenance phase.
He has partisan cryx and CoC and has a rule that allows him to always have any combiantion of cryx, merc and coc jack under him, which is where the real spice lies.
Figure Corollaries or even Diffusers in irregulars with jack marhalas (such as Sam). Corollaries hand out focus to friendly faction jacks. Diffuers have beacon guns. Servitors come with dark shroud. That means Irregulars should have roughly as much focus support as talion and SoF, plus a damagebuff, speed buff and free charge, if you are so inclined (and want to spend 26 points on the package). Rahera should liek this, both Magni will like this, Shae will like this and the jack marshals will like this even more.
Another cute thing would be Seethers under gaspy4 with fiona for countercharge befuddle funsies.
Any other ideas on what to do with the new awesomeness, that you guys can think of?
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Post by Charistoph on Oct 24, 2019 14:44:03 GMT
Mercs now have access to Slayer spam... Maybe. A lot will depend on how Gaspy's Battlegroup shakes out. He may end up not getting access no matter whose army he's in, depending on how testing works out. Cost is partially due to his unit status. Being a Character, he'll easily be in Irregulars, but I wonder what other Merc Theme's he'll be available in.
McHorne I will probably go for a Freebooter with her with a Buccaneer somewhere nearby to take advantage of both Dismantle and Trash. Like you pointed out, though, it can depend on who you are facing. An army full of constructs would do better with a Mariner who could aoe them at range and Thresher them up close. However, considering how few Constructs are in Hordes, especially with the risk of facing Disciples of Agony, McHorne may be restricted to a WM drop.
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sorokin
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Post by sorokin on Oct 24, 2019 15:30:28 GMT
I honestly cant see Gaspy4 in any theme other than Irregs. He simply doesn't fit anywhere else, honestly I am surprised we get to play him at all.
Yeah, MacHornes utility lives and dies with how many constructs you face in your meta. Which is fine imo. Still, even without it, the Freebooter still does freebooter things and she is a beefy combat solo, so its not like she clings onto it for relevance.
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Post by Charistoph on Oct 24, 2019 16:24:22 GMT
I honestly cant see Gaspy4 in any theme other than Irregs. He simply doesn't fit anywhere else, honestly I am surprised we get to play him at all.
It may seem odd, but what about Operating Theater? They don't have much as it is, and he would have ties through the Cryx connection.
Kingmaker's, Talion, and Hammer Strike are obvious outs, and I would be surprised to see him in Resistance and Soldiers. So that just leaves Flames, which would be just as surprising as Resistance and Soldiers.
Of course, that doesn't include the Themes he can both be partially in (one Merc unit per list) or invited in for other factions. He'll probably be found in Black Industries for Cryx and Destruction Initiative for Convergence by direct invitation. I can't say how attractive he'd be for their other Themes, though.
But then, the final question is, would you WANT Gaspy4 in any other Theme besides Irregulars? McHorne can easily find a want because of her anti-construct capacity, but will Gaspy? I guess it will largely depend on what other abilities will be finally granted to Gaspy himself (i.e. spells) and to his entourage in general.
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Post by Korianneder on Oct 24, 2019 17:27:45 GMT
Quick point of reference. Gaspy4 can't bring a corollary in any faction because he's not a warcaster, same as other jr warcasters, and corollary requires being attached to a warcaster.
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sorokin
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Post by sorokin on Oct 24, 2019 20:20:32 GMT
Quick point of reference. Gaspy4 can't bring a corollary in any faction because he's not a warcaster, same as other jr warcasters, and corollary requires being attached to a warcaster. That sad news, but I wouldn't put it past PP to change the rules of the corollary so it can be put on juniors, just as they did with character jacks and bonds, especially now that CoC CID is upon us. As is, you're sadly right though.  |
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sorokin
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Post by sorokin on Oct 24, 2019 21:15:56 GMT
I honestly cant see Gaspy4 in any theme other than Irregs. He simply doesn't fit anywhere else, honestly I am surprised we get to play him at all.
It may seem odd, but what about Operating Theater? They don't have much as it is, and he would have ties through the Cryx connection.
Lol, i honestly forgot OT existed. But yeah, I can absolutely see Gaspy4 being included there, by name even so you don't have to attach a dominator, given that it was him who brokered the deal with the Cephalyx in the first place. |
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Post by Charistoph on Oct 24, 2019 22:46:48 GMT
It may seem odd, but what about Operating Theater? They don't have much as it is, and he would have ties through the Cryx connection.
Lol, i honestly forgot OT existed.
Yeah, I think PP has, too, at times. Not that I'm a fan, really, I just think it is an incredibly wasteful entry with a limited design space at present. Even worse, they could be blocking other higher Focus Warcasters from joining the Rhuls or Sellswords.
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Post by gobber on Oct 25, 2019 2:06:14 GMT
It may seem odd, but what about Operating Theater? They don't have much as it is, and he would have ties through the Cryx connection.
Lol, i honestly forgot OT existed. But yeah, I can absolutely see Gaspy4 being included there, by name even so you don't have to attach a dominator, given that it was him who brokered the deal with the Cephalyx in the first place. Maybe, I could definitely see this happening but it's a lot more complicated than that; Cyriss is Cephalyx's primary enemy and they're the main faction actively working to prevent her manifestation on Caen (which is the entire purpose of the convergence). Unlike the convergence except for lucidia/lucant who at least have an inkling something's wrong, Cephalyx are aware that Cyrissian soul transference doesn't actually transfer a soul in the way Cyrissists believe (or at least not one that retains free will), but rather is something along the lines of Cyriss herself simulating the personality of the person transferred. In any case, the high ranking Cephalyx' primary motivation is retaining their own free will (mostly from other cephalyx' telepathy), so the prospect of being controlled by Cyriss if she manifests on Caen and controls all of humanity (which does include cephalyx) was sufficient motivation for the separate hives to actually join forces for once to defeat Cyriss' cults at all costs. At some point in this several hundred year long war, Cephalyx take over a Cyriss cult's base under the thornwood which the Cyrissists eventually are poised to recapture; then Cryx shows up leads to the alliance between Thexus and Gaspy (on behalf of cryx). Thexus' interest in this is a share of Cryx's POW's that he can eat the minds of and turn into drudges to fight the Cyrissists. There's an explicit similarity between Cyriss' great plan to control the world machine and Cephalyx/Thexus' goal to become a godlike disembodied mind that can control all others; Cyriss' ideology is viewed as a perversion of Cephalyx' own. Anyways, they're a pair of diametrically opposed factions with a lot of bloody history between them. The alliance between Cephalyx's only ally and their greatest enemy is a fascinating development though. Would not be the first rapprochement between bitter enemies to fight the infernals, and there seems to be some technological similarity as Cephalyx can use captured Cyrissian techology to create drudge and monstrosities. I don't think the Cephalyx casters get their magic through thamar's gift (it's telepathy unlocked over time by cephalyx surgeons) but 'the 2/3 of all human souls' agreement applies to them as well so they have good reason to fight off the infernals who want to control their souls (which would be at least as offensive as control by cyriss). It'd be a temporary alliance at best, but possible so long as the Exulons think it positions them better in the long run. |
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Post by zhoe on Oct 25, 2019 6:10:52 GMT
selfalyx and coc are liek, big enemiez. eh probabaly not gon palay wit dem, but shits weird now so mebbe
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Post by zhoe on Oct 25, 2019 6:17:06 GMT
ass much ass i wanna to use boass machorne, i stil dunno bout jack marshalin
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Post by michael on Oct 25, 2019 13:32:55 GMT
Lol, i honestly forgot OT existed. But yeah, I can absolutely see Gaspy4 being included there, by name even so you don't have to attach a dominator, given that it was him who brokered the deal with the Cephalyx in the first place. Maybe, I could definitely see this happening but it's a lot more complicated than that; Cyriss is Cephalyx's primary enemy and they're the main faction actively working to prevent her manifestation on Caen (which is the entire purpose of the convergence). Unlike the convergence except for lucidia/lucant who at least have an inkling something's wrong, Cephalyx are aware that Cyrissian soul transference doesn't actually transfer a soul in the way Cyrissists believe (or at least not one that retains free will), but rather is something along the lines of Cyriss herself simulating the personality of the person transferred. In any case, the high ranking Cephalyx' primary motivation is retaining their own free will (mostly from other cephalyx' telepathy), so the prospect of being controlled by Cyriss if she manifests on Caen and controls all of humanity (which does include cephalyx) was sufficient motivation for the separate hives to actually join forces for once to defeat Cyriss' cults at all costs. At some point in this several hundred year long war, Cephalyx take over a Cyriss cult's base under the thornwood which the Cyrissists eventually are poised to recapture; then Cryx shows up leads to the alliance between Thexus and Gaspy (on behalf of cryx). Thexus' interest in this is a share of Cryx's POW's that he can eat the minds of and turn into drudges to fight the Cyrissists. There's an explicit similarity between Cyriss' great plan to control the world machine and Cephalyx/Thexus' goal to become a godlike disembodied mind that can control all others; Cyriss' ideology is viewed as a perversion of Cephalyx' own. Anyways, they're a pair of diametrically opposed factions with a lot of bloody history between them. The alliance between Cephalyx's only ally and their greatest enemy is a fascinating development though. Would not be the first rapprochement between bitter enemies to fight the infernals, and there seems to be some technological similarity as Cephalyx can use captured Cyrissian techology to create drudge and monstrosities. I don't think the Cephalyx casters get their magic through thamar's gift (it's telepathy unlocked over time by cephalyx surgeons) but 'the 2/3 of all human souls' agreement applies to them as well so they have good reason to fight off the infernals who want to control their souls (which would be at least as offensive as control by cyriss). It'd be a temporary alliance at best, but possible so long as the Exulons think it positions them better in the long run. That is certainly a theory, but one that is decisively shot down by the fact that everybody has the “Soul Vessel” rule and thus definitely have souls. |
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Post by sorokin on Oct 30, 2019 18:36:13 GMT
So you cant bring a corollary with gaspy4 in irregs, but ya CAN bring it with Aurora2!! The marshalling enthusiast in me is very happy all of a sudden!
Also flying Blockader with Dual Attack, hory smoeks1
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Post by sorokin on Nov 1, 2019 9:01:26 GMT
It's awfully quiet here considering we just got a new caster, two new juniors and a whole new theme force.
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Post by michael on Nov 1, 2019 12:46:05 GMT
It's awfully quiet here considering we just got a new caster, two new juniors and a whole new theme force. Everyone is probably waiting until we see the rules next week. |
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