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Post by dogganmguest on Oct 25, 2019 7:47:08 GMT
War Room was a buggy pile of shit. War Room 2 was less buggy to start with, and they've slowly reduced those bugs over years. My problem isn't with the bugs, but the lazy design of it. It's a functional app, but I would never say it's a good one. It's full of stuff that will bother users who pay attention to detail and ease of use, and it won't bother people who don't care about such things. In the same way there are people who insist Linux is a good desktop operating system, there are people for whom war room is "perfectly fine".
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Post by charlzheimer on Oct 25, 2019 13:27:04 GMT
my one gripe with warroom is that the pdf opens slowly.
other then that...app's pretty danm good. no complaints.
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thelat
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Post by thelat on Oct 25, 2019 16:06:03 GMT
my one gripe with warroom is that the pdf opens slowly. other then that...app's pretty danm good. no complaints. I would like to add that setting up a Hearts Of Darkness list is a bit of a pain.
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Post by Deller on Oct 26, 2019 0:31:31 GMT
my one gripe with warroom is that the pdf opens slowly. other then that...app's pretty danm good. no complaints. I can’t scroll through the PDF at all, every time I try it just zooms in. Which is a massive pain in the ass because not once have I ever clicked on a rule and been brought to the correct page, I always get brought to the page right before the page I need. I’ve also given up trying to use the garbage rules search feature. I don’t use Warroom for rules references anymore unless I need the exact wording of a complex interaction, and even then most of the time I have internet, using the PP card database is faster. I typically use Warmachine University as my reference, it’s infinitely more user friendly with much faster & better search functions. The only thing I don’t like about WU is they don’t include information that’s deemed irrelevant, just as base strength values of units that I occasionally need because I use Satyxis Bloodwitches’ Death Strike a lot.
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Post by dogganmguest on Oct 26, 2019 3:53:38 GMT
The search "works", but it's more of that lazy design. You have to know whether what you're searching for is considered a keyword, feature or property, and you can't just search for any word on the card at all. Stealth is a good example. You have to search for it by using "prp:stealth" because it's a "property", and it will find you all the models that have native stealth. It won't find you the models that have prowl (for that, you have to know to search for "ftr:prowl" instead) and it won't find you models that have spells that grant stealth (you need to know the name of the spell and search for that, again with ftr: prefixed). If you try to combine two or more of these, you'll get nothing because the search doesn't give you basic AND or OR. None of this is intended to make the user's life easier, it was to only to save the developers from having to do some work they didn't want to do, and that's the sort of thing that absolutely makes war room 2 a shitty app.
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Post by charlzheimer on Oct 26, 2019 7:50:44 GMT
my one gripe with warroom is that the pdf opens slowly. other then that...app's pretty danm good. no complaints. I can’t scroll through the PDF at all, every time I try it just zooms in. Which is a massive pain in the ass because not once have I ever clicked on a rule and been brought to the correct page, I always get brought to the page right before the page I need. I’ve also given up trying to use the garbage rules search feature. I don’t use Warroom for rules references anymore unless I need the exact wording of a complex interaction, and even then most of the time I have internet, using the PP card database is faster. I typically use Warmachine University as my reference, it’s infinitely more user friendly with much faster & better search functions. The only thing I don’t like about WU is they don’t include information that’s deemed irrelevant, just as base strength values of units that I occasionally need because I use Satyxis Bloodwitches’ Death Strike a lot. ITs like the PDF is so sub-optimal that they sorta hoped you would have a high end phone to open it. its a darn shame.
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Post by mrtuna on Oct 26, 2019 14:53:40 GMT
I can’t scroll through the PDF at all, every time I try it just zooms in. Which is a massive pain in the ass because not once have I ever clicked on a rule and been brought to the correct page, I always get brought to the page right before the page I need. I’ve also given up trying to use the garbage rules search feature. I don’t use Warroom for rules references anymore unless I need the exact wording of a complex interaction, and even then most of the time I have internet, using the PP card database is faster. I typically use Warmachine University as my reference, it’s infinitely more user friendly with much faster & better search functions. The only thing I don’t like about WU is they don’t include information that’s deemed irrelevant, just as base strength values of units that I occasionally need because I use Satyxis Bloodwitches’ Death Strike a lot. ITs like the PDF is so sub-optimal that they sorta hoped you would have a high end phone to open it. its a darn shame. But not too high end. The notch in iPhone 10-11 breaks warrroom hard.
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Post by Charistoph on Oct 26, 2019 16:36:47 GMT
I can’t scroll through the PDF at all, every time I try it just zooms in. Which is a massive pain in the ass because not once have I ever clicked on a rule and been brought to the correct page, I always get brought to the page right before the page I need. I’ve also given up trying to use the garbage rules search feature. I don’t use Warroom for rules references anymore unless I need the exact wording of a complex interaction, and even then most of the time I have internet, using the PP card database is faster. I typically use Warmachine University as my reference, it’s infinitely more user friendly with much faster & better search functions. The only thing I don’t like about WU is they don’t include information that’s deemed irrelevant, just as base strength values of units that I occasionally need because I use Satyxis Bloodwitches’ Death Strike a lot. ITs like the PDF is so sub-optimal that they sorta hoped you would have a high end phone to open it. its a darn shame. It's pretty crap even then.
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Post by frumiousbandersnatch on Oct 26, 2019 17:00:58 GMT
The mediocrity of Warroom kinda perfectly encapsulates one of PP's main problems. It's a functional app (now). It can do what it needs to do, but while it's taken PP years to get it to a more or less usable state they seem to think they live in some kind of bubble.
Of all the official listbuilding apps for the various games I play, Warroom2 is easily the worst and it's the ONLY ONE that costs money. It's ridiculous expensive. I've never even encountered any bugs, really, besides sometimes being allowed to build illegal lists. The app runs slow and is clunky. The user interface is unintuitive. The integration with core rules and scenarios isn't very great. Comapre it to Infinity Army or the new Malifaux listbuilding app or even the ASoIaD army builder. These are leagues better products and they are completely free.
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Post by beardmonk on Oct 26, 2019 18:26:29 GMT
The mediocrity of Warroom kinda perfectly encapsulates one of PP's main problems. It's a functional app (now). It can do what it needs to do, but while it's taken PP years to get it to a more or less usable state they seem to think they live in some kind of bubble. Of all the official listbuilding apps for the various games I play, Warroom2 is easily the worst and it's the ONLY ONE that costs money. It's ridiculous expensive. I've never even encountered any bugs, really, besides sometimes being allowed to build illegal lists. The app runs slow and is clunky. The user interface is unintuitive. The integration with core rules and scenarios isn't very great. Comapre it to Infinity Army or the new Malifaux listbuilding app or even the ASoIaD army builder. These are leagues better products and they are completely free. Just on this i think WarRoom is built and maintained by a 3rd party Dev House not by PP themselves. So any adjustment cost money and dev time. Ideally, any rules that you wanted to check would bring up the text in the app rather than going to the PDF. But that would again require development and test time and thus money. I also play Malifaux. The rules are free. The app is free and the app is a compete delight to use. Yes there were bugs at launch. But they were sorted fairly quickly and its great now. And yes, its free. All factions, all card. Its a card viewer, list builder and store, game set up, scenario set up and damage/game tracker. You can link devices together and so you can track each others damage and actions. And all that, not a penny required.
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Post by shmeep on Oct 26, 2019 18:47:15 GMT
The mediocrity of Warroom kinda perfectly encapsulates one of PP's main problems. It's a functional app (now). It can do what it needs to do, but while it's taken PP years to get it to a more or less usable state they seem to think they live in some kind of bubble. Of all the official listbuilding apps for the various games I play, Warroom2 is easily the worst and it's the ONLY ONE that costs money. It's ridiculous expensive. I've never even encountered any bugs, really, besides sometimes being allowed to build illegal lists. The app runs slow and is clunky. The user interface is unintuitive. The integration with core rules and scenarios isn't very great. Comapre it to Infinity Army or the new Malifaux listbuilding app or even the ASoIaD army builder. These are leagues better products and they are completely free. Just on this i think WarRoom is built and maintained by a 3rd party Dev House not by PP themselves. So any adjustment cost money and dev time. Ideally, any rules that you wanted to check would bring up the text in the app rather than going to the PDF. But that would again require development and test time and thus money. I also play Malifaux. The rules are free. The app is free and the app is a compete delight to use. Yes there were bugs at launch. But they were sorted fairly quickly and its great now. And yes, its free. All factions, all card. Its a card viewer, list builder and store, game set up, scenario set up and damage/game tracker. You can link devices together and so you can track each others damage and actions. And all that, not a penny required. most of the people I've seen talk about the app said it's donkey shit. It's odd how antiquated PP seem compared to their rivals.
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Post by gupp on Oct 26, 2019 19:55:57 GMT
I don’t think my local scene is in bad shape at all....
It’s not fortnight but it’s not disappearing
Honestly e sports probably has had more weird effects on how we view gaming than anything
The only thing I can think of that’s comparable in terms if profit is mtg
Even then...kids just don’t play table top anything as much, anymore, it seems
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Post by michael on Oct 26, 2019 22:20:29 GMT
most of the people I've seen talk about the app said it's donkey shit. It's odd how antiquated PP seem compared to their rivals. Most people who talk about that sort of thing don’t know what they’re talking about. Let’s talk about GW, the undisputed largest minis game company out there. When you see the latest game of 40k happening at your store, do the players track all relevant stuff through a handy app, or are they flipping through 150-page hardcover books looking for crap and referencing handwritten army lists and marking wounds with nondescript dice, 95% of the time? How about Guild Ball? X-wing? Kill Team? Malifaux? Infinity is the only other minis game I can remember seeing played with an app. The buttons and sliders reminded me of a mid-90s 4x strategy game. (But also I admit I lacked sufficient context to understand what I was looking at!) Also: have you ever used War Room 2? Do you have any personal experience with it?
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Post by Charistoph on Oct 26, 2019 22:42:36 GMT
Age of Sigmar has a couple of building apps, but I see a lot of people using Battlescribe for 40K so their lists are clean. A lot of pick up games are still PnP.
Which kind of brings up the oddity that some of the ameture people setting up the Battle Scribe mods are better at providing a good turn around with updates than the professionals developing War Room 2.
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Post by dogganmguest on Oct 26, 2019 22:46:32 GMT
Same goes for conflict chamber vs war room. One guy on his own does a better job of squashing bugs and meeting his (targeted subset of) users' needs.
The apps for Guild Ball are also created by fans, though one of them (arguably the worst choice) is now officially recommended by steamforged.
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