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Post by dogganmguest on Sept 21, 2019 3:18:40 GMT
It's not really true that it didn't change until the 2017 errata - the command book was published in 2016 and it contains the correct version of the text. It's not even mentioned in the list of changes to Caine for the errata. It's funny that the leaked cards do contain the mistake though. It's the kind of rule text blunder that I think people used to the game would read and realise what the intent was almost immediately (perhaps without even spotting the loophole until a rules lawyer first abused it).
In any case, you do seem to be overselling it quite a lot. I guess it really bruised your ego to lose to a new player.
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zhoe
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Post by zhoe on Sept 21, 2019 3:22:40 GMT
ur anecdoat is now accually vary amusing btw
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Post by kjata on Sept 21, 2019 4:11:46 GMT
It's not really true that it didn't change until the 2017 errata - the command book was published in 2016 and it contains the correct version of the text. It's not even mentioned in the list of changes to Caine for the errata. It's funny that the leaked cards do contain the mistake though. It's the kind of rule text blunder that I think people used to the game would read and realise what the intent was almost immediately (perhaps without even spotting the loophole until a rules lawyer first abused it). In any case, you do seem to be overselling it quite a lot. I guess it really bruised your ego to lose to a new player. I knew about it from the internet. Nobody I knew realized it from reading the card. I think that, if it wasn't clearly the replacement for magic bullet, someone might have noticed, but it was so clearly intended to be "other." Also, I think ace had trick shot in mk2, and his was "other." It was like the Kara Sloan top of 1 assassination. Something that slipped through the cracks and clearly was not working as intended.
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Post by droopingpuppy on Sept 21, 2019 8:46:43 GMT
Speaking of Sloan's 'assassin' aspect, I remember that how eager the other faction's players are to buff the Hunter. It was so great improvement. A light warjack that costs only 10pt but have a gun hit likes a heavy warjack's one? Yes please. Before that, 11 point is still better than most faction's anti armor ranged solution but it was not that good in Cygnar, and they fix it for us. We, Cygnar owe you one, and I will remember it.
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Post by michael on Sept 21, 2019 12:44:24 GMT
It's not really true that it didn't change until the 2017 errata - the command book was published in 2016 and it contains the correct version of the text. It's not even mentioned in the list of changes to Caine for the errata. It's funny that the leaked cards do contain the mistake though. It's the kind of rule text blunder that I think people used to the game would read and realise what the intent was almost immediately (perhaps without even spotting the loophole until a rules lawyer first abused it). In any case, you do seem to be overselling it quite a lot. I guess it really bruised your ego to lose to a new player. The Cygnar Command Book did not release until March 2017. It is no surprise that it contained the January 2017 errata! Check your facts before insulting people.
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Post by michael on Sept 21, 2019 13:07:46 GMT
Speaking of Sloan's 'assassin' aspect, I remember that how eager the other faction's players are to buff the Hunter. It was so great improvement. A light warjack that costs only 10pt but have a gun hit likes a heavy warjack's one? Yes please. Before that, 11 point is still better than most faction's anti armor ranged solution but it was not that good in Cygnar, and they fix it for us. We, Cygnar owe you one, and I will remember it. My favorite part of the Sloan change is that the same crowd who cried “OMG nerf the out-of-activation shot, there’s like a 1 in 70 chance of a turn 1 assassination under highly specific circumstances if you totally sacrifice your army to do it!” legitimately did not realize the in-activation shot was a straight-up buff. Worried that unboosted out-of-activation RAT 6 feat shot was going to hit your stuff? Well no need to worry now, they can boost! And they can boost damage too! Good nerf you advocated for there, guys.
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Post by droopingpuppy on Sept 21, 2019 14:28:43 GMT
Speaking of Sloan's 'assassin' aspect, I remember that how eager the other faction's players are to buff the Hunter. It was so great improvement. A light warjack that costs only 10pt but have a gun hit likes a heavy warjack's one? Yes please. Before that, 11 point is still better than most faction's anti armor ranged solution but it was not that good in Cygnar, and they fix it for us. We, Cygnar owe you one, and I will remember it. My favorite part of the Sloan change is that the same crowd who cried “OMG nerf the out-of-activation shot, there’s like a 1 in 70 chance of a turn 1 assassination under highly specific circumstances if you totally sacrifice your army to do it!” legitimately did not realize the in-activation shot was a straight-up buff. Worried that unboosted out-of-activation RAT 6 feat shot was going to hit your stuff? Well no need to worry now, they can boost! And they can boost damage too! Good nerf you advocated for there, guys.Yeah, her feat was also benefit by that and for now her feat is actually viable one rather than the old crap. How kind they are! Both of these buffs are something like the surprise present for me.
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Post by dogganmguest on Sept 21, 2019 21:58:55 GMT
The Cygnar Command Book did not release until March 2017. It is no surprise that it contained the January 2017 errata! Check your facts before insulting people. If I was going to insult you I'd be a lot less subtle about it, as I wouldn't want you to miss it. I did check the facts available to me. I looked at the start of the Cygnar book, which says: "First printing: October 2016. Printed in China.". When they started selling it doesn't really matter to me, since printing and shipping takes quite a lot of time. Of course, we're both just assuming facts based on a few dates and will probably not be able to determine the truth from public information.
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Post by dirtyharrypotter on Sept 22, 2019 13:08:03 GMT
i shal recount for u a hihly amusing Antidote mission accomplished 😂 you crack me up with every post. Thx.
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Post by Havock on Sept 22, 2019 18:32:51 GMT
I never found Caine2 that obnoxious, even in mk2. Honestly, some of the most tense, best games I've had was with Sorscha2 and later Butcher3 against Caine2, basically a game of cat and mouse, with both players taking up both roles.
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Post by hypnotoad on Sept 23, 2019 1:04:57 GMT
I never found Caine2 that obnoxious, even in mk2. Honestly, some of the most tense, best games I've had was with Sorscha2 and later Butcher3 against Caine2, basically a game of cat and mouse, with both players taking up both roles. Caine2 wasn't exactly top tier in MK2. Best thing he could do was put Heightened Reflexes on Boomhowlers. He couldn't do crap into multi-wound heavy infantry. He was better then than now though.
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snap
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Post by snap on Sept 23, 2019 9:53:36 GMT
Never had a bad game vs caine 2. But I was playing morvahna 2 and I could put a gallows infront of him most games. He didn't like pow 12s.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Sept 23, 2019 11:29:25 GMT
How Caine 2 may or may not have bad touched people in the past is neither here nor there in relation to the original post. The fact is in the current state the game is in, he falls woefully short of having a place. Don't take my word for it though, check the Cygnar lists at the WTC, not a single Caine 2.
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Post by dirtyharrypotter on Sept 23, 2019 12:06:39 GMT
How Caine 2 may or may not have bad touched people in the past is neither here nor there in relation to the original post. The fact is in the current state the game is in, he falls woefully short of having a place. Don't take my word for it though, check the Cygnar lists at the WTC, not a single Caine 2. Doesn't that just mean he isn't overpowered as @#&€?
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Sept 23, 2019 19:33:32 GMT
How Caine 2 may or may not have bad touched people in the past is neither here nor there in relation to the original post. The fact is in the current state the game is in, he falls woefully short of having a place. Don't take my word for it though, check the Cygnar lists at the WTC, not a single Caine 2. Doesn't that just mean he isn't overpowered as @#&€? I dont believe so, someone is taking Maddox as she is hardly OP, even in a team format Caine 2 doesnt fill a handy niche you may want to cover
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