Growl
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Post by Growl on Sept 16, 2019 0:21:22 GMT
If I make a successful charge with a model, instead of an attack, can I instead use a star action or ability? Could alexia2 charge and then instead of attacking summon some warriors? Or outriders charge and then spray?
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Post by anderfreak on Sept 16, 2019 1:28:21 GMT
If I make a successful charge with a model, instead of an attack, can I instead use a star action or ability? Could alexia2 charge and then instead of attacking summon some warriors? Or outriders charge and then spray? Only if the star action is on the weapon. If your character's axe has *thresher you can do after charging, but alexia can't charge and cast spells because they're on her, not her weapon. Also note choosing to do a star attack like thresher after charging cancels the boosted damage bonus. |
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Sept 16, 2019 2:14:14 GMT
I believe the charge target of. Thresher attack is still subject to boosted damage rolls. see pages 31 and 37 of the rules PDF. You can make a *Attack at he end of the charge, and the first damage roll of a charge attack is boosted.
What rule would cause that to not be true?
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Growl
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Post by Growl on Sept 16, 2019 11:37:43 GMT
I believe the charge target of. Thresher attack is still subject to boosted damage rolls. see pages 31 and 37 of the rules PDF. You can make a *Attack at he end of the charge, and the first damage roll of a charge attack is boosted. What rule would cause that to not be true? Yes, the first target of the thresher would be boosted damage after a charge. As usual with this game, while I know some rules very well, others start to get confused by overlapping rules, and/or specifics that set some models apart from others. Thank you both for the clarification! |
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Sept 16, 2019 11:41:48 GMT
I’m pretty sure any exception to the (both posts) is noted in the rules on the card, e.g. see the Devastator. The star attack is not in a weapon, and the rules text says what you can do (in that case, make a charge attack and then use the RoD).
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Post by AtlasCrusader on Sept 16, 2019 21:13:47 GMT
I'm under the impression that you cannot use a (STAR) action on a turn you charge, however you can do a (STAR) attack for the charge.
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Post by michael on Sept 16, 2019 21:29:36 GMT
I'm under the impression that you cannot use a (STAR) action on a turn you charge, however you can do a (STAR) attack for the charge. * Actions and * Attacks are different things. There is literally a menu of options that you can choose from when it comes time to make a model’s action. It’s all spelled out. Please go read that, folks. |
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Post by sand20go on Sept 16, 2019 21:34:31 GMT
I'm under the impression that you cannot use a (STAR) action on a turn you charge, however you can do a (STAR) attack for the charge. It depends. Easiest is frankly to talk models. FROM MEMORY the key models in Khador in-faction that you need to know about..... Beast and Yuri - Both can thresher (and should) on the charge. Charge target damage is boosted, other thresher attacks are not. KE and Maurader comboattack/smite - both can be applied on the charge. With the Maurader that means you can charge, combosmite and small something into something same size or bigger (or wall/obstruction for 4 dice damage. GOOD times....DAMM good times ;-) |
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Post by hocestbellum on Sept 16, 2019 21:36:43 GMT
I'm under the impression that you cannot use a (STAR) action on a turn you charge, however you can do a (STAR) attack for the charge. To be 100% clear, this is the wording for special attacks: "Special attacks listed as a rule of a melee weapon are melee special attacks. Special attacks listed as a rule of a ranged weapon are ranged special attacks. Special attacks listed as a rule of the model itself are neither melee attacks nor ranged attacks. The rules for these special attacks indicate the nature of any additional attacks that can be made afterward, if any." -Pg 36 Prime This interacts with this part of the charge rules: "The charging model must use its Combat Action to make either initial melee attacks or a special attack with a melee weapon" - Pg 31 Prime, (emphasis mine). So you can't do a special action when you charge, but you can do a special attack if the rule is on a weapon. So a Marauder, which has Combo Strike on the Ram Pistons, is fine to do that as a charge attack. A Castigator has the special attack 'Combustion', but it cannot use it on a charge because it isn't tied to a weapon. The Devastator sidesteps this by Rain of Death having specific wording allowing it to be used on the charge, although it still doesn't get the charge attack bonus because it's not a weapon attack. To answer the original question, no. You cannot do either of those as they are not initial melee attacks, special attacks with a melee weapon, or a rule with a specific exemption. You'd be perfectly allowed to walk into melee and use them, though. |
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Post by sand20go on Sept 16, 2019 22:56:45 GMT
I'm under the impression that you cannot use a (STAR) action on a turn you charge, however you can do a (STAR) attack for the charge. To be 100% clear, this is the wording for special attacks: "Special attacks listed as a rule of a melee weapon are melee special attacks. Special attacks listed as a rule of a ranged weapon are ranged special attacks. Special attacks listed as a rule of the model itself are neither melee attacks nor ranged attacks. The rules for these special attacks indicate the nature of any additional attacks that can be made afterward, if any." -Pg 36 Prime This interacts with this part of the charge rules: "The charging model must use its Combat Action to make either initial melee attacks or a special attack with a melee weapon" - Pg 31 Prime, (emphasis mine). So you can't do a special action when you charge, but you can do a special attack if the rule is on a weapon. So a Marauder, which has Combo Strike on the Ram Pistons, is fine to do that as a charge attack. A Castigator has the special attack 'Combustion', but it cannot use it on a charge because it isn't tied to a weapon. The Devastator sidesteps this by Rain of Death having specific wording allowing it to be used on the charge, although it still doesn't get the charge attack bonus because it's not a weapon attack. To answer the original question, no. You cannot do either of those as they are not initial melee attacks, special attacks with a melee weapon, or a rule with a specific exemption. You'd be perfectly allowed to walk into melee and use them, though. Just an FYI - under ONE circumstance the outriders CAN charge, make the attack, resolve it and _IF_ they kill something with that charge attack they get to spray. It is because if they are in the CMD of the Koldun Lord (CMD 9) they get from him Battle Wizard. Battle Wizard, in turn, says that if you destroy one or more enemy modles with a mell attack during an activation, immediately after the attack is resolve it can make one Magic Ability special attack or special action. Killed some sweet stuff that way ;-) |
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Post by michael on Sept 17, 2019 0:15:07 GMT
home.privateerpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/WM-Rules-2019-WEB.pdfPage 34, Combat Actions Combat Actions After completing its Normal Movement, a model makes its Combat Action. A model chooses one of the following options when making its Combat Action: • Forfeit its Combat Action. • Make one initial attack with each of its melee weapons. • Make a number of initial attacks with each of its ranged weapons equal to the weapons’ rate of fre (ROF). • Make one special attack (HAttack) allowed by its special rules. • Make one special action (HAction) allowed by its special rules. • Make one power attack allowed by its special rules (p. 42).
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