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Post by kjata on Aug 27, 2019 6:55:27 GMT
I know this gets brought up from time to time, but I don't think I've ever really got an answer that someone else confirmed, and I haven't been able to practice enough into exalted to know what to do.
I don't have Iona, she is the only caster I don't have, and I don't know how she plays into exalted. If she is the answer, then I may have to bite the bullet and just get her. I just mostly play casual games, and I don't like to play the huge meta boogeyman in casual games, which means I don't really get to practice with them. I didn't play haley2 in mk2 much when I was a cygnar player, I didn't play wormwood much at the start of mk3, but I got to play in more steamroller then so I was comfortable with them when it was tournament time.
I tend to main baldur1. I've found that as long as my opponent isn't specific lists (kaelyssa, flying heavy legion, bird heavy circle, banes) I'm pretty happy with the matchup. All of those are less powerful than exalted tho, and I don't hate most of those matchups. But having no feat, no Pac man ravagers, and zaal being a huge problem to assassinate if things go south,I just feel like the matchup is a huge problem. So, since I comfortable with my baldur1 list into basically everything else, what can I take that is specifically geared for exalted?
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Post by punk on Aug 27, 2019 13:18:26 GMT
Tannith Bones is really good.
Bald1 isn't best matchup as you will miss out on a feat.
Give Tannith a try!
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Post by snoozer on Aug 27, 2019 14:17:09 GMT
That sounds very intereting. How would you build Tanith in Bones? What is the Rational behind the combination?
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Post by punk on Aug 27, 2019 16:38:57 GMT
Rational wise...you can catch entire units with combination of Blackclad and Manikin sprays. You are getting 6-8 sprays for free here, so it fits theme without taking away what you want to do vs this list.
Build wise...I won't say what you MUST take...but the free sprays are solid. Woldwyrds help her too and they are pretty handy at shooting at a Krea or low Def Zall himself. 2-3 Wyrds is fine.
Immortals just die to sprays under affliction. Affliction doesn't care about feat or even the arm 17 for that matter. The spell will also even out if you force them to use +2 def using a soul. If done right, you can eat through 2 units of immos by swapping Affliction. The list becomes less of an issue when you show your opponent you can eat 20+ in a turn.
Shadowbind on Tannith's gun can also lock down a few models and let you not worry about them. Immov Object doesn't work vs Shadow Bind.
Lastly Admonition on a Guardian or even a Warden with +2 Str from a Stone Shaper can take on just about anything. When the Sup. Guardian moves after you are done eating up his infantry, most likley on one of your heavies you can position one so that it can admo away and not be within his 3" reach to both models. Let him take one and then you take it back. Scything touch is just also super handy to have here.
Get past turn 2 and you are fine. Play a longer game here, contest well, and this turns into ^50% match up for you.
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Post by kjata on Aug 27, 2019 17:13:31 GMT
Interesting... I have not played tanith in a minute, but that sounds pretty good.
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Post by Trollock on Aug 28, 2019 10:21:25 GMT
I have heard that many good players still play Baldur 1 DH in to Zaal. The feat is not worthless as it still stops the battle engines and solos, and he has a solid toolkit for a long grind. Havent tried it myself, but i thought id mention it.
Tannith seems like she will basically prevent them from dropping Zaal at all, so be prepared for the other list hehe.
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Post by punk on Aug 28, 2019 10:51:34 GMT
I have heard that many good players still play Baldur 1 DH in to Zaal. The feat is not worthless as it still stops the battle engines and solos, and he has a solid toolkit for a long grind. Havent tried it myself, but i thought id mention it. Tannith seems like she will basically prevent them from dropping Zaal at all, so be prepared for the other list hehe. As per below, to reference what OP said.
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Post by kjata on Aug 29, 2019 0:29:37 GMT
I have heard that many good players still play Baldur 1 DH in to Zaal. The feat is not worthless as it still stops the battle engines and solos, and he has a solid toolkit for a long grind. Havent tried it myself, but i thought id mention it. Tannith seems like she will basically prevent them from dropping Zaal at all, so be prepared for the other list hehe. You know, I guess I'd never actually played the matchup, so maybe it isn't as bad as I thought. However, what does bones do for tanith that the wild hunt doesn't? A min squad of Reeves blows through an afflicted unit of immortals, and you can still take woldwyrds.
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Post by Trollock on Aug 29, 2019 5:26:19 GMT
I have heard that many good players still play Baldur 1 DH in to Zaal. The feat is not worthless as it still stops the battle engines and solos, and he has a solid toolkit for a long grind. Havent tried it myself, but i thought id mention it. Tannith seems like she will basically prevent them from dropping Zaal at all, so be prepared for the other list hehe. You know, I guess I'd never actually played the matchup, so maybe it isn't as bad as I thought. However, what does bones do for tanith that the wild hunt doesn't? A min squad of Reeves blows through an afflicted unit of immortals, and you can still take woldwyrds. As long as you are playing against immortals, that probably just as good.
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Post by kjata on Aug 29, 2019 7:51:29 GMT
I'm actually thinking that's probably better against the rest of the field. Tanith in bones just seems weird to me.
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Post by bloodhawk on Aug 30, 2019 15:33:33 GMT
I listened to a podcast from earlier in the year where Tomasz discussed one of his tournament wins (with the final against exalted). He played Iona and it sounded like it is certainly playable if you know what you are doing. I don't imagine anything has changed with her nerf.
I keep hearing the same about Baldur1 being an option, and if he was an option before oblivion he will be better now due to the increased control range from the well. I have heard the same as Trollock in that the feat is useful by affecting the enemy battle engines.
I have only played one game into exalted (Zaal2) myself, but I found out quickly why people respect the list so much. The battle engines do an insane amount of work and with Zaal2 they are effectively unkillable on feat turn.
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