demonic
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Post by demonic on May 4, 2017 18:41:12 GMT
never said it was impossible, only that he was support necessary. With 3 wracks and vassals following around your most heavily used jacks, just about any caster becomes valid. However, the ones I originally chose have the potential to do their duty without the need of spending a high amount of points on support models. With them, you can toss in mechaniks or a few mind-raping solos instead. I play both Skorne and Menoth so I can tell you straight up, being required to bring so much support can really nerf your army; skilled players will aim to kill your support pieces even before your tarpit, reducing your army's ability to function in half.
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Post by mrhlaine on May 5, 2017 7:48:58 GMT
Support bloat is to be avoided whenever possible, the issue with Protectorate is that it's not really easy, witjmh jack heavy armies choir and vassals are pretty much a must, just as much as paingivers in skorne.
Vassals in particular, despite the hit they received to enliven and the loss of ancillary are still good, the magic bolt in particular is something uselful that i really like and the no disruption+focus is really strong.
Durst is built to be played jack heavy, the hit transfer for warrior on the feat is a cute addition to the arm swing imho, it helps if you have a combined arms force, but jack heavy is where he really shines.
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demonic
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Post by demonic on May 5, 2017 18:46:01 GMT
actually, he's built to play armor heavy. He'll probably be a great caster for the errant theme. The issue with him in a jack heavy list is that you're only going to have 1 unit, your tarpit, in front of him. The rest will all be jacks, solos, and support. Since, as a caster, he's meant to be played close to the front, only having 1 unit to fill the gaps is really going to leave him open for assassinations. Take a look at Skorne's new caster in the warroom. PP has already declared that they want assassinations to play a bigger role in the up coming additions. This probably goes hand in hand with how the new scenarios almost force your caster near the front line now.
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Post by mrhlaine on May 6, 2017 7:46:28 GMT
sure, armor skew (with infantry) is totally a viable playstyle for durst, I think he works really well with a couple units of daughter tho, even more than high arm infantry cause they complement nicely his strenghts and weaknesses
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Post by macdaddy on May 6, 2017 12:25:52 GMT
Here's an unusual one for you today War Room Army Protectorate of Menoth - New Army Theme: The Creator's Might 3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army Servath Reznik, Wrath of Ages - WJ: +29 - Revelator - PC: 37 (Battlegroup Points Used: 29) Vessel of Judgment - PC: 18 Vassal of Menoth - PC: 0 Vassal of Menoth - PC: 0 Vassal Mechanik - PC: 1 Vassal Mechanik - PC: 1 Vassal Mechanik - PC: 1 Initiate Tristan Durant - PC: 0 - Revelator - PC: 37 The Covenant of Menoth - PC: 4 Wrack - PC: 1 Choir of Menoth - Leader & 3 Grunts: 4 THEME: The Creator's Might
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Post by mrhlaine on May 6, 2017 16:22:34 GMT
4 huge bases, maximum focus efficiency, a scary gunline, jack support AND spell piercer, that's pretty cool
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Cyel
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Post by Cyel on May 6, 2017 16:50:00 GMT
Very cool!!! I am only afraid of a Colossal on a junior (too much Cryx in my area) but otherwise seems great. Unfortunately I only own one Revelator so far...
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demonic
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Post by demonic on May 6, 2017 20:48:55 GMT
ha ha, I prefer the judicator but only because I like feora's play style. Feora2 and the judicator is just nasty x.x; give him firestarter and he gets 4, 3 inch AoE templates of auto fire a turn, not including his sprays. igniting everything on fire and then only having to focus on heavy armored and fire immune units really simplifies things. It also thins the ranks so much that they generally can't stop the possibility of assassinations.
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Post by The 1336 on May 12, 2017 0:57:05 GMT
Before the theme forces appeared I had a list written up under Amon that was all castigators and purifiers with the hand of judgement. Because clearly the solution to an infantry swarm is to light yourself on fire and run at them screaming like a robotic maniac
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Post by alanryan on May 12, 2017 8:24:18 GMT
Here's an unusual one for you today War Room Army Protectorate of Menoth - New Army Theme: The Creator's Might 3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army Servath Reznik, Wrath of Ages - WJ: +29 - Revelator - PC: 37 (Battlegroup Points Used: 29) Vessel of Judgment - PC: 18 Vassal of Menoth - PC: 0 Vassal of Menoth - PC: 0 Vassal Mechanik - PC: 1 Vassal Mechanik - PC: 1 Vassal Mechanik - PC: 1 Initiate Tristan Durant - PC: 0 - Revelator - PC: 37 The Covenant of Menoth - PC: 4 Wrack - PC: 1 Choir of Menoth - Leader & 3 Grunts: 4 THEME: The Creator's Might you can let book free then you could have 1 more wrack
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