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Post by zariasdragon on Aug 14, 2019 22:30:38 GMT
So far, my experience with Grievers is that their speed is a bit of a trap. I get them into position to shoot things and the entire unit promptly dies the turn after. How have you played Grievers to good effect? What should I be doing instead? Should they act as more of as second wave unit?
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Post by paradox on Aug 14, 2019 22:38:58 GMT
Whats worked for me is to position them so that they can threaten any piece that moves to score a scenario element, or positions to attack my howlers or horrors or jacks, as the case may be. This allows them to sit back pretty far in early turns.
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Post by charlzheimer on Oct 26, 2019 10:46:33 GMT
Regarding Grievers and BLACK SPOTS the spell of zaatheroth.
if you do a CRA...do you get a Second shot at the same CRA value?
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Post by jojobrunnix on Oct 26, 2019 18:35:05 GMT
Nope. Just a regular shot from the guy that was doing the cra
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Post by Gamingdevil on Oct 29, 2019 15:16:50 GMT
You should be able to "waterfall" the Black Spot attacks though: Attack with model A, combine with model B => trigger Black Spot with model A => attack with model C, combine with model A's Black Spot attack => keep going.
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Post by jojobrunnix on Oct 29, 2019 16:27:14 GMT
Depends on cra wording i gues. Isnt there something about basic attackd in there?
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Post by Gamingdevil on Oct 30, 2019 7:18:57 GMT
Depends on cra wording i gues. Isnt there something about basic attackd in there? Basic attacks are just "not special attacks", so by definition, Black Spot grants basic attacks.
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Post by jojobrunnix on Oct 30, 2019 11:19:05 GMT
Ah yes. I was confussing it with initial attacks. Thanks
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Post by charlzheimer on Oct 30, 2019 14:24:27 GMT
You should be able to "waterfall" the Black Spot attacks though: Attack with model A, combine with model B => trigger Black Spot with model A => attack with model C, combine with model A's Black Spot attack => keep going. wait. So i can essentially shoot 4 cra's using model A as the shoot point origin as long as he has 4 buddies around him that are in range and LOS to the target? your SURE about that?
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Post by gobber on Oct 30, 2019 14:44:14 GMT
You should be able to "waterfall" the Black Spot attacks though: Attack with model A, combine with model B => trigger Black Spot with model A => attack with model C, combine with model A's Black Spot attack => keep going. wait. So i can essentially shoot 4 cra's using model A as the shoot point origin as long as he has 4 buddies around him that are in range and LOS to the target? your SURE about that? Not even close to what he's saying. Model A only leads one attack in this example. Each model gets an additional attack from black spot which cannot generate additional attacks, but can be subsumed into another model's CRA which can generate another black spot attack. Each model will only lead one CRA in most cases (unless they're ending the chain), with an absolute maximum of two.
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Post by charlzheimer on Oct 30, 2019 15:13:18 GMT
wait. So i can essentially shoot 4 cra's using model A as the shoot point origin as long as he has 4 buddies around him that are in range and LOS to the target? your SURE about that? Not what he's saying. Each model gets an additional attack from black spot which cannot generate additional attacks, but can be subsumed into another model's CRA which can generate another black spot attack. Each model will only lead one CRA in most cases (unless they're ending the chain), with an absolute maximum of two. JUST to see if i understand this correctly. i have model A B C A shoots with B assisting. blockspot triggers. A shoots again with C assisting. blackspot triggers. C shoots with B assisting? OR A shoots with B assisting. triggers. C shoots with A assisting? (thx to black spot)
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Post by gobber on Oct 30, 2019 17:54:12 GMT
Not what he's saying. Each model gets an additional attack from black spot which cannot generate additional attacks, but can be subsumed into another model's CRA which can generate another black spot attack. Each model will only lead one CRA in most cases (unless they're ending the chain), with an absolute maximum of two. JUST to see if i understand this correctly. i have model A B C A shoots with B assisting. blockspot triggers. A shoots again with C assisting. blackspot trigger. <<<<<<Black spot would not trigger again because this is a free attack from black spot which can not generate additional attacksC shoots with B assisting? OR A shoots with B assisting. triggers. C shoots with A assisting? (thx to black spot) You want to do the latter. It would trigger again on C's CRA, so you could then have B shoot with C assisting. When waterfalling CRA's you only want each model to lead a CRA once, since only their initial attacks can generate a new attack from black spot. You effectively bypass the restriction on free attacks generating further free attacks by having a different model lead the CRA with its initial attack each time.
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Post by charlzheimer on Oct 30, 2019 21:01:04 GMT
JUST to see if i understand this correctly. i have model A B C A shoots with B assisting. blockspot triggers. A shoots again with C assisting. blackspot trigger. <<<<<<Black spot would not trigger again because this is a free attack from black spot which can not generate additional attacksC shoots with B assisting? OR A shoots with B assisting. triggers. C shoots with A assisting? (thx to black spot) You want to do the latter. It would trigger again on C's CRA, so you could then have B shoot with C assisting. When waterfalling CRA's you only want each model to lead a CRA once, since only their initial attacks can generate a new attack from black spot. You effectively bypass the restriction on free attacks generating further free attacks by having a different model lead the CRA with its initial attack each time. so you CAN use the blackspot generated SHOT to use it as an assist in a CRA? this seems iffy rule wise. but then again...he is IMMEDIATELY making an attack...its just part of a CRA.
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Post by gobber on Oct 31, 2019 0:27:26 GMT
You want to do the latter. It would trigger again on C's CRA, so you could then have B shoot with C assisting. When waterfalling CRA's you only want each model to lead a CRA once, since only their initial attacks can generate a new attack from black spot. You effectively bypass the restriction on free attacks generating further free attacks by having a different model lead the CRA with its initial attack each time. so you CAN use the blackspot generated SHOT to use it as an assist in a CRA? this seems iffy rule wise. but then again...he is IMMEDIATELY making an attack...its just part of a CRA. Long established precedent. CRA explicitly blurs the lines between individual models' combat actions so it meets the "immediately" requirement, and the free attack from black spot technically never happens since the model assisting in its CRA loses its attack and only the leader's attack occurs. "In a combined ranged attack, only the primary attacker actually makes an attack. The other participants lose the attacks they contributed to the combined ranged attack."
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Post by Gamingdevil on Oct 31, 2019 7:27:04 GMT
A shoots with B assisting. triggers. C shoots with A assisting? (thx to black spot) You want to do the latter. It would trigger again on C's CRA, so you could then have B shoot with C assisting. When waterfalling CRA's you only want each model to lead a CRA once, since only their initial attacks can generate a new attack from black spot. You effectively bypass the restriction on free attacks generating further free attacks by having a different model lead the CRA with its initial attack each time. I think you messed that up at the end. B already spent his attack assisting A and nothing is giving him another one. C could then combine with (additional model) D though, or more accurately, D should start a new chain with C's Black Spot attack.
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