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Post by sand20go on Aug 11, 2019 19:11:18 GMT
Anyone read that as "we are wrapping up WM/H and focusing on the two new games"? If not, then a bit tone deaf. Or perhaps too literal a read?
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Post by Miafan on Aug 11, 2019 20:03:58 GMT
If not a quote, can we at least have a summary?
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Post by bacon on Aug 11, 2019 23:03:05 GMT
While I can see how you came to that interpretation I dont think that is what he meant. I mean adding a new faction to the game seems like a weird way to announce that they are discontinuing support for the game. I think what he is trying to convey is that a lot of what we know about the setting is about to change, which makes sense given that the book is about an apocalyptic event hitting the Iron Kingdoms.
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Post by Miafan on Aug 11, 2019 23:16:55 GMT
I mean adding a new faction to the game seems like a weird way to announce that they are discontinuing support for the game. WHFB End Times? Nagash and stuff, yadda yadda. Srsly though, what was so alarming about that letter? For non-chosen ones who does not have a book(yet. probably.)?
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Post by bacon on Aug 11, 2019 23:54:26 GMT
I'm not sure if I can post the entire letter or not (copyright and all that) but the first of it was Wilson talking about the journey from the beginning of Iron Kingdoms storyline with the RPG to now with the internals coming to claim the souls owed to them. There is some somewhat concerning use of language such as "we've known for years that our carefully curated setting could not go on forever," but the letter also ends with "an end of an era only marks the beginning of another."
While I can see the perspective of them saying this is it for warmachine I dont think that is what Wilson is saying at all. I think hes saying that after this the entire setting will be different as old enemies had to put aside their differences and fight as a united front. I know there are a lot of people who have lost faith in PP but I still believe they know what they are doing and will continue running Warmahordes as their flagship game. After all it would be stupid to make any decision regarding warmachine well before we even know how warcaster is going to sell.
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Post by custardboy on Aug 12, 2019 0:29:26 GMT
Games Workshop took the risk in destroying WHFB because 40k was their money maker. Warmachine will be the majority of revenue for PP, even if its not where they are putting in their time right now. It wouldn't make sense to destroy the setting.
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Post by Miafan on Aug 12, 2019 6:21:02 GMT
In that case, I don't think there is a cause for a huge panic. If memory serves, Wyrd posted similar introductions at least twice - first time it was when Ten Thunders came - "fifth faction in a four-suit deck world, nothing ever gonna be the same", second time it was just for Malifaux MK3. So the worst (best?) I'd expect from this message (if it's not just pretty words) is an earlier-then-expected MK4 or some sorta of MK3,5 Marketing-wise, it's really not the best move though, because of WH FB experience - I remember End Times well, and how our WM/H communities thrived and bloomed, because whole conglomerates of players migrated from FB to WM/H, not wanting to deal with that crap. Just like Sand20go demonstrated, such messages might trigger same reaction, and that at least might affect the sales in a bad way, because people will become cautious.
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Post by beardmonk on Aug 12, 2019 8:10:40 GMT
Warmahordes 40K needs to be very very good as a product to justify the time and resources that PP are going to have to invest in it. My worry is that 1) it will be a buggy mess when its released to meet an artificial release deadline and 2) its only going to appeal to a subset of the pre-existing WM/H players and 3) it will just get buried under whatever GW release will be put out at the same time.
Much like many here I seriously doubt that PP will retire WM/H. IMO that would kill the company. But if they put it into a holding pattern while they develop Warmahordes 40K then I think that all the good work they have done over the past 2 years to fix the product will have been for very little gain. they need to keep up the momentum and push WM/H more aggressively with media, advertising, streams etc to increase the visibility of the game.
I'm not being negative about things, but I am nervous about the future.
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Post by jisidro on Aug 12, 2019 11:10:36 GMT
Can you post a pic of it? It's really important.
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Post by Juris on Aug 12, 2019 17:24:37 GMT
Anyone read that as "we are wrapping up WM/H and focusing on the two new games"? If not, then a bit tone deaf. Or perhaps too literal a read? It also read that way to me as well, which I found very strange. I also didn't see the point of the letter at all, especially if it wasn't there to announce the end of WMH (I don't think it was there to announce the end of WMH).
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Post by sand20go on Aug 12, 2019 17:29:54 GMT
Anyone read that as "we are wrapping up WM/H and focusing on the two new games"? If not, then a bit tone deaf. Or perhaps too literal a read? It also read that way to me as well, which I found very strange. I also didn't see the point of the letter at all, especially if it wasn't there to announce the end of WMH (I don't think it was there to announce the end of WMH). Good to know it just wasn't me. It especially reads that way if you know the history of the product (starting with an old D20 open sourced Module for the Witchfire Triology and Alexia). Then you get to the last paragraph of the fluff which closes on well....a debbie downer - though it DOES give us a very interesting spoiler as to who Old Witch and Wormwood are. Biggest complain about Oblivion - so little Khador. And NO Legion, Skrone or Cryx. Though (and no more spoilers).....looks like Mother has been STEPPING OUT. Didn't know the old man had it in him ;-)
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Post by A-Mo on Aug 12, 2019 19:15:03 GMT
Soooo, WM&H gets limited releases but still supported. Majority of the focus shifts to the new game.
With the amount of model bloat in the current game, this seems reasonable to me. Hell, after the release of Convergence, I was always annoyed that they kept releasing new armies, instead of fine tuning stuff that wasn't working.
If WM&H gets more balance adjustments while the new game is selling, and becomes a better game. I'd be fine with it.
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Post by falkman on Aug 12, 2019 21:22:28 GMT
Then you get to the last paragraph of the fluff which closes on well....a debbie downer - though it DOES give us a very interesting spoiler as to who Old Witch and Wormwood are. Do tell!
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Post by sand20go on Aug 12, 2019 22:10:45 GMT
Then you get to the last paragraph of the fluff which closes on well....a debbie downer - though it DOES give us a very interesting spoiler as to who Old Witch and Wormwood are. Do tell! Spoiler alert.... Essentially the implications is that Wormwood is some sort of personification of the wurm itself while OW is either the mother (or the crone - the mother in old age).
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Post by SnakeEyes on Aug 12, 2019 22:35:59 GMT
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