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Post by auraco on Aug 10, 2019 19:16:46 GMT
Ok, so with the Oblivion change some of our theme do open up a lot for some janky lists. Fist thought, the Menite Archon is pretty cool, but kinda needs faction models to really be interesting with Righteous Fury. That's pretty cool in Warrior of the old faith where everything is faction, but outside of that theme which other theme allow to take more merc models? Wolves allow to take Void archons, they can trigger the Righteous fury on the menite archon, nevermind that it makes no sense fluff wise. So Menite archon and double void archon, pretty cool group, but not really enough to really be worth it right? So why not take a merc unit on top of that, can't take the new morrowan stuff because the Menite archon is a snob. With the new change to the Croes they could probably be interesting as models to trigger the fury and they do make good souls for the void archons. So which caster to run that, still hesitating between Old Witch2 and Sorscha1, both caster that can support stuff that isn't faction models. My current list for that for the moment is: conflictchamber.com/?c3201b_-1Shz7pdZnj8h8hoLpipi73nf89nf89nnKhador [Theme] Wolves of Winter !!! This army contains a pre-release entry. !!! This army contains CID entries. [Old Witch 2] Zevanna Agha, the Fate Keeper [+27] - Destroyer [14] - Grolar [18] - Greylord Adjunct [0(4)] Koldun Lord [0(4)] Koldun Lord [4] Menite Archon [8] Void Archon [8] Void Archon [8] Croe's Cutthroats (max) [16] Doom Reaver Swordsmen [10] - Greylord Escort [3] Doom Reaver Swordsmen [10] - Greylord Escort [3] Greylord Ternion [0(7)] It might be the ultimate janky list and not pretty good, but I do like the look of it on paper so far. Any thoughts on the list?
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Aug 11, 2019 1:32:58 GMT
OK, I don’t know that it’s that good, but I appreciate the jank. If you’re going for a full Jank attack though, I think you really need to fit in Victor for the POW 14 fire bombs. Seems like it could be a thing... The following taps out at 74 points. I couldn’t find one more point to upgrade the Marauder to a Juggernaut. I lost the second Void Archon which just seems over the top. I suppose you could lose the Marauder, put the Void Archon back in, and have 4 points left over for...hmmm...probably paying for another solo to fit in a second free unit of Ternion. Hmmm... That’s not bad if you’re OK playing OW2 with only one Warjack. conflictchamber.com/?c3201b_-1ShzkTf8nj8h8hoLpi72nf89nf89nn[Old Witch 2] Zevanna Agha, the Fate Keeper [+27] - Marauder [11] - Victor [34] - Greylord Adjunct [0(4)] Koldun Lord [0(4)] Koldun Lord [4] Menite Archon [8] Void Archon [8] Croe's Cutthroats (min) [10] Doom Reaver Swordsmen [10] - Greylord Escort [3] Doom Reaver Swordsmen [10] - Greylord Escort [3] Greylord Ternion [0(7)]
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Post by borderprince on Aug 11, 2019 4:19:43 GMT
It might be the ultimate janky list and not pretty good, but I do like the look of it on paper so far. Any thoughts on the list? So you've got a Menite Archon, two non-aligned Void Archons and a bunch of Infernalists (Croe's) in the same list, all led by a mysterious spirit of Khador creature - I think you just broke the thematic part of themes...
It looks support heavy at this point, with the Void Archons being the main cause of that. They can do some work, but I haven't been that impressed and there's a lot of points into getting the Menite Archon to work. Might be different with OW2 because she polishes everything. Also looks a bit squishy.
That said, it's sufficiently weird that I struggle to see it interacting on the table. But that might be a sign of genius on your part, and a failing on mine.
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Post by auraco on Aug 12, 2019 11:50:50 GMT
Don't forget about the guys running around with cursed sword left by the soul powered abusive precursor. Yeah I know the theme makes no sense fluffwise, that's part of the janky charm of it.
Part of the appeal of the list is also the casterkill aspect of it, the void archons are not bad at getting a could of attacks on a caster with void walk and their boosting. OW2 casterkill game is always made live thanks to scourge.
Not sure the victor is all that necessary to leverage the menite archon, but it does make the fire shot even more interesting. Side note on the Victor, do you guys think we'll finally get reliable mileage out of Flak fire now that archons look like they'll be everywhere?
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Aug 13, 2019 1:57:12 GMT
No. The Archons are reliably ARM 20-21 vs. a POW 12 gun so you’re still only looking at chip damage. YMMV with Vlad 1, though...
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Post by auraco on Aug 13, 2019 2:54:29 GMT
Fair point, I'm not going to take a victor specifically for flak fire, it's just a casually nice bonus, more against the thamarchon and the void archon than the two super tanky one indeed.
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Post by skathrex on Aug 13, 2019 15:54:48 GMT
I like the Jank just have a couple of problems with it.
Viktor and Menoth Archon. In reality the Archon will never be in range to increase the dmg of the viktor or will just die to quick, so I don't like that combination of jank.
Menoth Archon. i want to like him but he always looses against Alexia2 and Hermit. Especially in these kind of lists.
Croes I like, but I would go full jank. Give them Valachev for Repo 8"
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Post by sand20go on Aug 13, 2019 16:17:12 GMT
I like the Jank just have a couple of problems with it. Viktor and Menoth Archon. In reality the Archon will never be in range to increase the dmg of the viktor or will just die to quick, so I don't like that combination of jank. Menoth Archon. i want to like him but he always looses against Alexia2 and Hermit. Especially in these kind of lists. Croes I like, but I would go full jank. Give them Valachev for Repo 8" Plus 1. Getting to be able to fire and then zepher/Repo 5 SHOULD mean that they are able to really be irritating and not ignorable. There issue remains that they really want to be on the flank and ambushing is becoming more and mroe common. Can't afford to let them get tied down that way.
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Post by auraco on Aug 13, 2019 16:45:36 GMT
Yeah that's why it's janky, if I put Valachev on the Croes, they don't trigger the righteous vengeance on the menite archon anymore because they won't be faction to him. The list would probably just be better with Alexia2 and Valachev on the croes. I do like curse of shadow to prevent free strikes and then walking and zephyring the croes through stuff to get the backstabs. This pretty much relegates the Menite archon to Warrior of the old faith only, because Alexia2 and the Hermit just seem better and they don't need a lot of friendly faction models to work like the menite archon does. Heck in warrior of the old faith you can even take the hermit on top of that.
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Post by cplmustard on Aug 13, 2019 20:56:41 GMT
How about swapping croes for alexia1? According to warroom she isn’t actually thamarite typed, and risen synergize nicely with doom reavers
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Post by sand20go on Aug 13, 2019 21:09:57 GMT
How about swapping croes for alexia1? According to warroom she isn’t actually thamarite typed, and risen synergize nicely with doom reavers That is a great idea. Because (Laughing) if you kill the horde of undead zombies the archon gets really mad ;-) stocked I ordered 2. Can't get here soon enough.
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Aug 14, 2019 1:22:05 GMT
How about swapping croes for alexia1? According to warroom she isn’t actually thamarite typed, and risen synergize nicely with doom reavers cplmustard for the win. That’s some excellent jank and hilarious thematically. I suppose in the battle for the hereafter, the dead are rising up against the Infernals, so...
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Post by borderprince on Aug 14, 2019 5:52:21 GMT
How about swapping croes for alexia1? According to warroom she isn’t actually thamarite typed, and risen synergize nicely with doom reavers I like this idea. Drop one Koldun Lord and Croe's and you can get Alexia1 and another unit of Doomreavers.
Dead doomreavers feed Alexia and the Void Archons.
Dead risen buff the Menite Archon. And you can spawn a Thrall to run near the Menite Archon to trigger its abilities too.
All while the Ternion add some extra Doomreavers to start the process all over again.
Living the dream somewhat, but might be fun to try.
And Alexia1 can do massive damage when you've got a potential -6ARM swing from OW2, the Koldun Lord and the Void Archon.
Bonus points for anyone who converts the Menite Archon helm to look like a Doomreaver's.
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Post by auraco on Aug 19, 2019 12:19:27 GMT
I played the list this weekend, against constance Flame in the dark, a double precursor build with galant on Jakes for extra threat range, a morrowan archon that my opponent got from a gencon ninja and a couple of extra solo like ragman, the hermit and acosta.
It performed really well, the Void archons are very good into melee centric army like the one I played against, soul ward denied me a couple of souls on the void archons, so I can see souls reliant armies like infernal be annoyed at playing against archon build.
Croes killed a couple of precursor but a lot of them died because I wasn't careful and clumped them up after giving on Constance a load of souls and allowing her to cast more sunburst than I expected. They still did the job of providing souls for my void archon and triggering a swift vengeance and righeous fury on my menite archon.
Highlight of the game was a void archon killing a couple of precursor and setting up dark shroud on a nomad and the galant, followed by a destroyer shooting on Harlan versh, having the shot shield guarded by the armor debuffed galant (dark shroud is the only way for the list to debuff his armor because of sacred ward) doing some good damage, and the having the angry menite archon just finishing off the Galant, with righteous fury and dark shroud on top of his self S&P the archon hit very hard, killed the galant with that, and if my calculations are correct I rolled a bit higher than average, but not that much, I wasn't suppose to kill him but was still suppose to do a lot of damage. What was hilarious was my opponent one shotting my menite archon with his morrowan archon helped by death field from ragman, I was expecting the menite archon to die but to take some effort to kill, but when your opponent rolls a 17 on his charge attack there's not much you can do about it, my opponent stopped complaining about me killing his galant after that attack.
Constance played agressively, killing the grolar by herself thanks to flank and death field making her hit nearly as hard as butcher, but it left her too forward, so I scourge her, curse of shadowed her and killed her with the void archon that blinked forward after killing a precursor knight, the threat range on the void archon spray is huge when he can charge and teleport. I still had two reaver charge, a destroyer shot and a brittle frost I could get into a knocked down constance. My opponent though he was safe because he was hiding behind a lancer and some precursor hiding LOS to constance, he didn't take into consideration the scourge angles of a charging old witch into consideration.
Will try the list again, the list might be better with Alexia2, but so far I like the hitting power on the menite archon and having dispel in the list is interesting, alexia2 doesn't help that much with high def, the menite archon is pretty good to help with that.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Aug 19, 2019 12:28:10 GMT
so I scourge her, curse of shadowed her Huh, for some reason I thought Constance had Sacred Ward. Guess not. Feels kinda like she should: Gallant and Precursors have it after all, and even Zerkova has it so it's not like casters can't get Sacred Ward. Guess all the decoration on that armour is just for show.
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