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Post by jdeckert on Jul 26, 2019 20:22:36 GMT
Knee- jerk reaction after updating War Room: this theme went from bad to completely irredeemable. Losing advance move, Balachev, and picking up... nothing? While wolves lost a relatively minor benefit and armored moved laterally at worst? Am I missing something?
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Post by hocestbellum on Jul 26, 2019 20:44:30 GMT
Well, the reroll is roughly equivalent to +1 on the starting roll, probability wise. So that's not nothing. And it gained access to character merc units, which could be a very useful thing now the list-building shackles have been loosened a bit by the Requisition system. Alexia1, for example, certainly has a place there now. It's not been catapulted into the top-tier, but I wouldn't say that it's got any worse.
Wolves lost a benefit, and also lost access to character Merc solos. Which means Khador still get to have the only theme with a character merc restriction of any kind.
Also, predictably, there seems to be discrepancies between war room and the updated PDFs. I'm working from the PDFs, as my War Room refuses to update.
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Post by auraco on Jul 26, 2019 20:57:38 GMT
What makes it even worst is the requisition choice going up to a maximum of 13 points, in a world where 18 and more is the norm...
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Post by jdeckert on Jul 26, 2019 20:59:05 GMT
Ah, yeah, war room doesn't have the non- character tag for merc solos in Wolves. I guess character units in LoS is okay? +1 to the starting roll seems a lot worse than the 6" advance move, though. The +1 makes a difference in about 15% of games by my quick math.
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Post by auraco on Jul 26, 2019 20:59:31 GMT
Well, the reroll is roughly equivalent to +1 on the starting roll, probability wise. So that's not nothing. And it gained access to character merc units, which could be a very useful thing now the list-building shackles have been loosened a bit by the Requisition system. Alexia1, for example, certainly has a place there now. It's not been catapulted into the top-tier, but I wouldn't say that it's got any worse. Wolves lost a benefit, and also lost access to character Merc solos. Which means Khador still get to have the only theme with a character merc restriction of any kind.Also, predictably, there seems to be discrepancies between war room and the updated PDFs. I'm working from the PDFs, as my War Room refuses to update. I guess we'll have to see an update about that one, Warroom doesn't have the non character restriction.
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Post by steeltitan on Jul 26, 2019 21:17:00 GMT
We can only hope that PP is planning something bigger for this theme and thats why the theme wasnt buffed or any of the models in the dynamic update...
I am not against exchanging the great bears for alexia1, to test. Thats about the only thing i can think of...
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Post by hocestbellum on Jul 26, 2019 21:17:38 GMT
Well, the reroll is roughly equivalent to +1 on the starting roll, probability wise. So that's not nothing. And it gained access to character merc units, which could be a very useful thing now the list-building shackles have been loosened a bit by the Requisition system. Alexia1, for example, certainly has a place there now. It's not been catapulted into the top-tier, but I wouldn't say that it's got any worse. Wolves lost a benefit, and also lost access to character Merc solos. Which means Khador still get to have the only theme with a character merc restriction of any kind.Also, predictably, there seems to be discrepancies between war room and the updated PDFs. I'm working from the PDFs, as my War Room refuses to update. I guess we'll have to see an update about that one, Warroom doesn't have the non character restriction. War Room is apparently also allowing Valachev in themes where he is specifically banned, so I'm leaning towards trusting the PDF...
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Post by hocestbellum on Jul 26, 2019 21:22:35 GMT
Ah, yeah, war room doesn't have the non- character tag for merc solos in Wolves. I guess character units in LoS is okay? +1 to the starting roll seems a lot worse than the 6" advance move, though. The +1 makes a difference in about 15% of games by my quick math. Yeah, by the PDF it is only Wolves that has a restriction on characters at all; the units are fine in Legion
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Post by cplmustard on Jul 26, 2019 21:31:34 GMT
Hopefully they have some plans for LoS coming down the pipe, PP did state that there's likely to be another update after oblivion when the meta settles a bit. As it is, Flame in the Darkness models coming out will be the final nail in the coffin for Legion of Steel I think, Strakhov2 is probably the only other caster that might not want to run Wolves or AK instead.
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Post by jdeckert on Jul 26, 2019 21:32:44 GMT
Well, at least I got one game in with Alexia2 while I could, then. That makes me sad.
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Post by hocestbellum on Jul 26, 2019 21:46:43 GMT
False alarm everyone; Hungerford has confirmed that Wolves can take character merc options.
As you were
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Post by sorokin on Jul 26, 2019 21:58:49 GMT
Good, that would have been an extremely dumb change I am sure it would have been the only theme in existence with such an restriction.
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Jul 26, 2019 22:19:42 GMT
From Hungerford:
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Post by Havock on Jul 31, 2019 22:41:27 GMT
There is no reason to play it other than wanting to play it. I mean, the advance move was token at best but really; it's a super-melee-centric theme with (arguably) overpriced, vulnerable melee models with glaring holes in their matchups. You can't fight any of the other melee infantry themes on an even footing because they have better support and/or are just better than your dudes on a 1-1 basis. Countercharge is cute but ultimately just that.
Sounds like salt but it's just a theme left in the dustbin f history as it is right now, which is strangely fitting.
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Post by hocestbellum on Aug 1, 2019 7:30:01 GMT
Just the other week someone went 4-1 at Gigacon with Vlad2 Legion. They won all three matches they used it in.
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