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Post by GumbaFish on Apr 21, 2017 13:40:44 GMT
I know there was a similar thread on the old PP forums but I'd really like to see some discussion on Sorscha 2. I keep looking at her card and part of me can't help but think she has an amazing toolbox to limit bad matchups. However, I don't really see anybody playing her which makes me doubt myself. I have yet to put her on the table because her toolbox also means I am not sure what kind of list I'd really want to bring with her or what matchups would be good or bad. I'd love to hear some thoughts, especially about what kinds of matchups she might be good or bad into since I can't get a good pulse on her. But really any discussion is welcomed.
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Apr 21, 2017 13:54:33 GMT
She's a caster worth trying out. Don't doubt yourself just yet because she ain't doing the 100% best.
As for me, I dunno.
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Post by wendan on Apr 21, 2017 13:55:00 GMT
I really like using her this edition. So far, I've been running her with ajuggernaut and with Beast, Malakov with a destroyer, and a unit of shocktroopers with the CA (with iron Flesh of course). Throw in widowmakers with support and it's a party!
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Post by auraco on Apr 21, 2017 14:50:07 GMT
I've played her only once and that was a couple of months ago, but we have a player in my local meta who likes her in jaw of the wolf with a lot of jacks, behemoth marshalled and powered up by two forge seers. Apparently blessed take aim powerfull shots on Sorscha's feat are legit.
I've seen him run several versions of the list with differing number of jacks and kayazy models.
It's also a decent Ghost fleet drop with shatterstorm on the widowmakers and the behemoth to take care of the incorporeal stuff.
I will eventually try it, once I get tired of Legion of Steel and my forge seers are assembled. Although from what I heard that player say, he thinks both list complement each other well.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Apr 21, 2017 17:50:54 GMT
My problem is I can't think of her without remembering what she's lost. I really need to take a fresh look at her, I'm just not really sure how; the only thing that really stands out is her feat, and it's not... "special" enough? Not when we have Butchers, Karchevs, Fury, Battle Lust etc. I don't know, she probably does answer "meta" questions I guess.
I think she might need a proper redesign? Her original design had elements that worked well together, like Freezing Grip with the quad-iron and Cyclone, and now not so much? Or am I missing something?
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Post by welshhoppo on Apr 21, 2017 18:00:22 GMT
That's my issue too. The loss of icy grip was huge.
But if she had access to a reliable method of stationary, she'd be extremely dangerous due to her feat and weaponmaster.
She's a jack of all trades, but doesn't have enough Jack to make up for her shortcomings.
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Post by auraco on Apr 21, 2017 18:08:53 GMT
My problem is I can't think of her without remembering what she's lost. I really need to take a fresh look at her, I'm just not really sure how; the only thing that really stands out is her feat, and it's not... "special" enough? Not when we have Butchers, Karchevs, Fury, Battle Lust etc. I don't know, she probably does answer "meta" questions I guess. I think she might need a proper redesign? Her original design had elements that worked well together, like Freezing Grip with the quad-iron and Cyclone, and now not so much? Or am I missing something? Yeah she lost a lot, but the meta has also changed a lot since these days. Her more restricted kit might be more appropriate than it was before (might, I haven't played her enough to confirm any of that). |
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Post by Netherby on Apr 21, 2017 21:16:25 GMT
She is pretty much our only source of RFP. I think it was appropriate for her to lose FG, but only because having it on her made S1 kinda irrelevant. The problem is she didn't get anything as powerful in return to replace it. Unless you need RFP there isn't much reason to take her currently in my opinion. It makes me sad because Sorscha was my first caster and I would love for her to still be good  |
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Post by smoothcriminal on Apr 21, 2017 21:21:10 GMT
Played her before january errata in WG theme. Her selling points were 22" threat on WGRC, decent last ditch assassination and Shatterstorm. Since Una2 was nerfed didn't really feel she's needed anymore.
Now with Seers available she should be interesting Menoth drop out of theme. Shatterstorm destroys Reclaimer and Seers with A&H should be enough to give their jack lists a problem.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Apr 22, 2017 7:05:39 GMT
It makes me sad because Sorscha was my first caster and I would love for her to still be good Well, Sorsha 1 is better than ever right now, right? Now with Seers available she should be interesting Menoth drop out of theme. Shatterstorm destroys Reclaimer and Seers with A&H should be enough to give their jack lists a problem. Do you mean marshalling jacks to seers for magic ranged weapons? I guess Sorscha 2 is one of the better choices to run marshals under thanks to Boundless Charge. Actually, I've just read Shatterstorm again, and I've noticed something a little bit strange. It doesn't make the target's attacks magical, but if they destroy a model the AOE is magical. That's... that's a bit weird, right? Like, you can use it to put out magical AOEs that can kill incorporeal models etc, but only if the target already has magical weapons so they can kill the enemy model in the first place? And it specifically states "enemy model", so you can't even kill your own models for the magic AOEs. Seems... strange. Feels like the spell should have just given the target magical attacks to begin with. |
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Post by welshhoppo on Apr 22, 2017 8:30:16 GMT
If shatterstorm just gave out pure magical attacks, shed be so much better too.
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Apr 22, 2017 12:03:35 GMT
If shatterstorm just gave out pure magical attacks, shed be so much better too. That would be great. That change and swapping out razor wind for something like Frost Hammer would be awesome and give us a reason to take her again. |
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Post by GumbaFish on Apr 22, 2017 12:08:33 GMT
Oh wow that is a good catch about shatterstorm, I hadn't really grasped the implications of that wording. I guess where I get stuck is that I kind of feel like she is good at both cracking armor with her feat, removing troops with shatterstorm, or potentially personal assassination. However, whenever I start to make a list with her I kind of feel like wouldn't this list be better with Sorscha 1 or Butcher 1. I still think I will give her a try, but I can see how in a two list environment it just makes more sense to pick two casters which excel in individual areas instead of a single all-rounder.
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Post by auraco on Apr 23, 2017 0:59:35 GMT
She cracks armor WAY better than Sorscha1, they both have very different match ups.
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Post by Netherby on Apr 23, 2017 4:36:06 GMT
It's more a question of why take her instead of Butcher1. The answer is Boundless Charge and Shatter Storm vs Fury and being a tank. Their feats both increase damage output by similar amounts, but Sorscha has to be way closer to the targets now than Butcher does and is a lot less survivable.
Fury is almost always really good, while Shatter Storm is very niche.
I thought in Mk2 Shatter Storm DID give magical attacks, but it certainly doesn't now.
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