Juris
Junior Strategist
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Post by Juris on Jul 19, 2019 18:05:42 GMT
The theme benefit is Sacrificial Pawn [ Winter Guard trooper model]. It does not work with Battle Mechaniks. That is right! My bad. Shouldn't post before that second cup of coffee.
Even more reasons probably to pass on them. You could get, for example, a WAK who CAN get sac pawns, who has innate tough, and could be in the no sleeping bubble so he can tilt the tough rolls. Flag campers important.
If you're referring to a Winterguard Artillery Kapitan, he is not an eligible Sac Pawn Target because the Sac Pawn specifies TROOPER model. "Troopers" are members of units. Solos are not Troopers.
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Jul 19, 2019 21:16:58 GMT
Juris is right. The very first iteration of the theme said Winterguard model... Sac Pawning to the gun carriage was hilarious while it lasted.
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Post by jdeckert on Jul 19, 2019 21:48:17 GMT
Juris is right. The very first iteration of the theme said Winterguard model... Sac Pawning to the gun carriage was hilarious while it lasted. So was bouncing it off of Joe to other WG.
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Post by steeltitan on Jul 19, 2019 21:58:07 GMT
At least Joe can still pawn off to the CG
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Jul 20, 2019 12:58:39 GMT
At least Joe can still pawn off to the CG OK, damn, somehow I never made that connection. I just reread his card. That’s good to know. Now if only they changed Joe’s card to read “Winterguard model/unit” so that he could grant his abilities to the GC, himself or Sorscha. That would be balls.
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Jul 20, 2019 13:23:37 GMT
OK, being honest, I think my sour grapes over not getting free Weapon Attachments is starting to pass. Our weapon crews aren’t that good. Candidly, I played them because they were free options. Candidly, most lists only had 1 free model I actually wanted (the WGI UA). Now, my lists actually feel like they have 8-12 more free points than they had previously, and I can consider a merc solo.
Take for example this OK list.
Khador - Butcher 3 WGK Sorscha & GC
Theme: Winter Guard Kommand 2 / 2 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Kommander Zoktavir, the Butcher Unleashed - WJ: +22 - War Argus - Greylord Adjunct - PC: 4 - Ruin - PC: 17 (Battlegroup Points Used: 17) - Juggernaut - PC: 13 (Battlegroup Points Used: 5) - Marauder - PC: 11 Winter Guard Gun Carriage - PC: 17 Kovnik Jozef Grigorovich - PC: 4 Kovnik Apprentice Kratikoff - PC: 4 - Marauder - PC: 11
Winter Guard Infantry - Leader & 5 Grunts: 6 - Winter Guard Infantry Officer & Standard - Officer & Standard: 4 - Winter Guard Rocketeer - PC: 2 - Winter Guard Rocketeer - PC: 2 - Winter Guard Rocketeer - PC: 2 Winter Guard Mortar Crew - Gunner & Grunt: 0 Winter Guard Mortar Crew - Gunner & Grunt: 0
It feels like it’s “got enough stuff”, but the WGMC are slow and situational, and I’m paying full freight for the models I really want (Joe, Sorscha, Adjunct).
All of the sudden, that list is transformed into THIS:
Khador - Butcher 3 WGK Sorscha & GC - Oblivion
Theme: Winter Guard Kommand 0 / 2 Free Cards 87 / 87 Army
Kommander Zoktavir, the Butcher Unleashed - WJ: +22 - War Argus - Greylord Adjunct - PC: 4/0 - Ruin - PC: 17 (Battlegroup Points Used: 17) - Juggernaut - PC: 13 (Battlegroup Points Used: 5) - Marauder - PC: 11 Winter Guard Gun Carriage - PC: 17 Kovnik Jozef Grigorovich - PC: 4/0 Kovnik Apprentice Kratikoff - PC: 4/0 - Marauder - PC: 11 Winter Guard Infantry - Leader & 5 Grunts: 6 - Winter Guard Infantry Officer & Standard - Officer & Standard: 4 - Winter Guard Rocketeer - PC: 2 - Winter Guard Rocketeer - PC: 2 - Winter Guard Rocketeer - PC: 2 Winter Guard Infantry - Leader & 5 Grunts: 6 - Winter Guard Rocketeer - PC: 2 - Winter Guard Rocketeer - PC: 2 - Winter Guard Rocketeer - PC: 2
THAT feels, well, way stronger. You’ve got a whole second unit to cover a flank, and 3 more (accurate) rockets vs. the two (inaccurate) mortars.
Alternately, this might be interesting, although the AKs need testing to see if they’re worth their points. I’ve upgraded to Beast to have two melee powerhouse jacks that threat the full 13”. The AKs are a potential target for Silence of Death to get the charge attack up to POW 13, which puts them in the range of being able to do work against multiwound infantry like Ogrun Warspears or Warmongers, and the “no tough, no healing cloud” is certainly going to come in handy against a lot of armies seeing the mass proliferation of Tough out there now. IDK about you, but I’m also constantly irritated when playing against hordes players and they casually just heal a spiral, so I’m not undervaluing the AK tech.
Khador - Butcher 3 WGK Sorscha & GC - Oblivion
Theme: Winter Guard Kommand 0 / 2 Free Cards 88 / 88 Army
<! OVER POINT LIMIT !>
Kommander Zoktavir, the Butcher Unleashed - WJ: +22 - War Argus - Greylord Adjunct - PC: 4 - Ruin - PC: 17 (Battlegroup Points Used: 17) - Beast 09 <! INVALID FOR THEME !> - PC: 18 (Battlegroup Points Used: 5)
Winter Guard Gun Carriage - PC: 17
Kovnik Jozef Grigorovich - PC: 4 Kovnik Apprentice Kratikoff - PC: 4 - Destroyer - PC: 14
Winter Guard Infantry - Leader & 5 Grunts: 6 - Winter Guard Infantry Officer & Standard - Officer & Standard: 4 - Winter Guard Rocketeer - PC: 2 - Winter Guard Rocketeer - PC: 2 - Winter Guard Rocketeer - PC: 2 Assault Kommandos - Leader & 5 Grunts: 10 - Assault Kommando Flame Thrower - PC: 2 - Assault Kommando Flame Thrower - PC: 2 - Assault Kommando Flame Thrower - PC: 2
And as a final option, I can finally fit in both Juniors with Victor and 6 rockets...
War Room Army
Khador - Butcher 3 Rockets & Juniors - oblivion
Theme: Winter Guard Kommand 0 / 1 Free Cards 87 / 87 Army
Kommander Zoktavir, the Butcher Unleashed - WJ: +22 - War Argus - Ruin - PC: 17 (Battlegroup Points Used: 17) - Marauder - PC: 11 (Battlegroup Points Used: 5)
Kovnik Andrei Malakov - PC: 4 - Victor - PC: 34 Kovnik Apprentice Kratikoff - PC: 4 - Marauder - PC: 11 Kovnik Jozef Grigorovich - PC: 4
Winter Guard Infantry - Leader & 5 Grunts: 6 - Winter Guard Rocketeer - PC: 2 - Winter Guard Rocketeer - PC: 2 - Winter Guard Rocketeer - PC: 2 Winter Guard Infantry - Leader & 5 Grunts: 6 - Winter Guard Rocketeer - PC: 2 - Winter Guard Rocketeer - PC: 2 - Winter Guard Rocketeer - PC: 2
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Post by sand20go on Jul 20, 2019 18:19:50 GMT
Playing a b3 wgk later today into juris....will let folks know how it goes
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Jul 20, 2019 19:28:20 GMT
Playing a b3 wgk later today into juris....will let folks know how it goes Just don’t confuse list deficiencies with pilot error! Good luck! :-)
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