thelat
Junior Strategist
Posts: 480
|
Post by thelat on Jul 20, 2019 18:30:47 GMT
.
|
|
|
Post by Gamingdevil on Jul 22, 2019 9:21:05 GMT
Slight inaccuracy. Mercenary units can always include ranking officers (I suspect its a generic rule). Theme forces however specifically call out whether you can include non-ranking-officer attachments. Also you can no longer take sunburst for free. I'm not sure what you're saying here, but Mercenary units can no longer automatically take Ranking Officers just for existing. It used to be like this already in the general rules, but because all the themes specifically said they could include all attachment, that got overruled. This is something they wanted to address with the theme remix and fact that now all themes mention "non-Ranking Officer" means you can only take the Ranking Officers in themes that specifically allow them. We just don't know which one that actually is for Protectorate yet, I would've actually expected Faithful Masses.
|
|
martini
Junior Strategist
Posts: 119
|
Post by martini on Jul 22, 2019 13:59:48 GMT
What changes to CM are needed to make it good enough? All character jacks, repo 3 on solos and choir, some bonus to jacks like pathfinder, choir as a free option.
|
|
Hashmal
Junior Strategist
Posts: 557
|
Post by Hashmal on Jul 22, 2019 17:48:07 GMT
Choir as a free option matters less in Requisition point days. It was limiting before if you wanted to take a Merc, but that's no longer an issue. At least two Merc units would be nice. Our Attendant Priest is FA:2 and currently that's useless (and some of us own two of the little dude). I'd like to see free upkeeps go away for something that actually benefits our 'jacks. The two 'jack themes spoiled thus far have 'jack benefits. Can we has? Character 'jacks would be nice, but I'm not holding my breath. Avatar and Blessing of Vengeance are the two I expect, and that's it. Any more is gravy. Sadly, my bet is that the change that makes CM playable as the 'jack theme is a nerf to EI.
|
|
|
Post by mydnight on Jul 22, 2019 21:49:05 GMT
I'm not sure what you're saying here, but Mercenary units can no longer automatically take Ranking Officers just for existing. It used to be like this already in the general rules, but because all the themes specifically said they could include all attachment, that got overruled. This is something they wanted to address with the theme remix and fact that now all themes mention "non-Ranking Officer" means you can only take the Ranking Officers in themes that specifically allow them. We just don't know which one that actually is for Protectorate yet, I would've actually expected Faithful Masses. My bad. Didn't realise they were actually restricting choices. The only theme we've seen, in fact, that allows RO is gravediggers? CM needs to get a buff IMO. It's the most restrictive theme. Having attendant priest helps I guess. Hopefully it will be x2, but not sure what one would bring anyway. Merc units aren't exactly stellar. Aiyana + Holt can be useful, forgeguard with some casters. I guess Croe's + Sev0 can be good?
|
|
blakeh1
Junior Strategist
Posts: 181
|
Post by blakeh1 on Jul 23, 2019 1:01:29 GMT
Creator's Might theme!
Looks like changes are inclusion of Scourge, Blessing and Menite Archon
Requistion options are
2 Vassal Solos one-other small or medium based protectorate solo
Benefits remain the same. Start with upkeeps and repo 3 for choir and solos
I always liked the theme anyway, and in a few cases, this gives me back points as I sometimes took two vassals and the book as my free cards. Now I can keep the 2 vassals and add in a Warder or in some cases get an additional free option compared to the old list
|
|
|
Post by mydnight on Jul 23, 2019 1:16:52 GMT
Creator's Might theme! Looks like changes are inclusion of Scourge, Blessing and Menite Archon Requistion options are 2 Vassal Solos one-other small or medium based protectorate solo Benefits remain the same. Start with upkeeps and repo 3 for choir and solos I always liked the theme anyway, and in a few cases, this gives me back points as I sometimes took two vassals and the book as my free cards. Now I can keep the 2 vassals and add in a Warder or in some cases get an additional free option compared to the old list Sev0 + Scourge may be interesting. Heck even if you bring Reznik, Scourge is better on Sev0.
|
|
|
Post by Gamingdevil on Jul 23, 2019 6:09:09 GMT
Creator's Might explicitly allows the Attendant Priest by the way.
|
|
|
Post by mydnight on Jul 23, 2019 11:00:06 GMT
CM's viability will depend a lot on what happens to EI, since those two themes overlap somewhat.
Repo'ing Archon is pretty nice though.
|
|
Hashmal
Junior Strategist
Posts: 557
|
Post by Hashmal on Jul 23, 2019 15:06:42 GMT
I'm pretty down on CM now. It has an ultra limited model selection and the theme benefits do not make up for that. I'd basically consider it if I was doing light spam that didn't want Initiates or a list that wants both Tristan1 and Sevy0. Otherwise, FM is a better 'jack theme. And that's not counting what might come with EI (I'm scared).
|
|
privvy
Junior Strategist
Formerly The Nomad on PP's forums
Posts: 317
|
Post by privvy on Jul 23, 2019 17:13:06 GMT
Sev0 + Scourge may be interesting. Heck even if you bring Reznik, Scourge is better on Sev0. Would it break the game to remove the BG requirement for bonds, and just making it "while in the same army"? Maybe Scourge would be the only broken thing.
|
|
|
Post by mydnight on Jul 25, 2019 1:04:19 GMT
Sev0 + Scourge may be interesting. Heck even if you bring Reznik, Scourge is better on Sev0. Would it break the game to remove the BG requirement for bonds, and just making it "while in the same army"? Maybe Scourge would be the only broken thing. I really like the idea of Rez2 in CM with SoH on Sev0. Boundless charge + warpath is great. Not as good as with FoS in EI, but SoH has certain matchups where he really shines.
|
|
spideredd
Junior Strategist
Summer Gamer
Posts: 588
|
Post by spideredd on Jul 25, 2019 12:59:04 GMT
Exemplar Interdiction didn't change as much as I thought it would. Welcome back Aegis.
|
|
martini
Junior Strategist
Posts: 119
|
Post by martini on Jul 25, 2019 13:01:58 GMT
Sayonara blessed guns.
|
|
spideredd
Junior Strategist
Summer Gamer
Posts: 588
|
Post by spideredd on Jul 25, 2019 13:28:17 GMT
You can still have blessed guns, with Reznik2 or Eye of Truth
|
|