luckgod84
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Post by luckgod84 on Jul 1, 2019 13:53:52 GMT
Nemo will die and just as his soul leaves his body CoC collect it without his consent
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cain
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Post by cain on Jul 1, 2019 22:38:59 GMT
Choosing between does three, i hope they axe Nemo.
Nemo is a nice character but not in the same league as stryker and Magnus
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Post by Gamingdevil on Jul 2, 2019 9:16:59 GMT
Nemo will die and just as his soul leaves his body CoC collect it without his consent I don't think they can just do that. They need to be there when he dies and have a vessel ready. I'm also pretty sure it requires a whole ritual and doesn't "just happen". I'm positive they can't pull him back from Urcaen though.
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sorokin
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Post by sorokin on Jul 2, 2019 12:23:26 GMT
No, no, after he dies cryx exhumates his body and employs him for the creation of electro zombies.
Cygnar better burys him in the deepest, dankest crypt and throws the key away.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jul 2, 2019 12:41:16 GMT
Nemo will die and just as his soul leaves his body CoC collect it without his consent I don't think they can just do that. They need to be there when he dies and have a vessel ready. I'm also pretty sure it requires a whole ritual and doesn't "just happen". I'm positive they can't pull him back from Urcaen though. I vaguely recall some talk about Nemo being loosely associated with Cyrrissists (pretty sure that's spelled wrong) in the past? Not necessarily the actual Convergence: remember that the Convergence is kind of a radical sect of Cyriss worship, and that Cyriss worship in general is not outlawed or anything. If that was the case I could see PP revealing that Nemo made a deal for an immortal clockwork body or something.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Jul 2, 2019 12:51:16 GMT
I vaguely recall some talk about Nemo being loosely associated with Cyrrissists (pretty sure that's spelled wrong) in the past? Not necessarily the actual Convergence: remember that the Convergence is kind of a radical sect of Cyriss worship, and that Cyriss worship in general is not outlawed or anything. If that was the case I could see PP revealing that Nemo made a deal for an immortal clockwork body or something. It was probably in the "At what cost?" novel. The Cyrissists are interested in both Haley and Nemo because they are savants, which they see as a blessing from the Maiden of Gears (Cyriss). As far as I know, there is no clear deal made, they just mentioned they were interested in him. However, it is of course possible that there is such an arrangement, but even if there is, they don't have any way to pull a soul back after it has passed into Urcaen. The only way they can capture it, is by being there when it tries to pass and keeping it. As the Skorne have discovered, one way to keep a soul from passing to the afterlife is by damaging it greatly before it dies, mainly through torture. In Mortenebra's back story, it is heavily hinted that (even the current) the way to put a soul into a clockwork body has crossovers with necromancy, which makes it possible that they also employ the "damaged soul" technique. I don't think Nemo would agree with that, but regardless, if he died suddenly, there would be no time to perform the ritual, whichever it would entail.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jul 2, 2019 13:32:34 GMT
I vaguely recall some talk about Nemo being loosely associated with Cyrrissists (pretty sure that's spelled wrong) in the past? Not necessarily the actual Convergence: remember that the Convergence is kind of a radical sect of Cyriss worship, and that Cyriss worship in general is not outlawed or anything. If that was the case I could see PP revealing that Nemo made a deal for an immortal clockwork body or something. It was probably in the "At what cost?" novel. The Cyrissists are interested in both Haley and Nemo because they are savants, which they see as a blessing from the Maiden of Gears (Cyriss). As far as I know, there is no clear deal made, they just mentioned they were interested in him. However, it is of course possible that there is such an arrangement, but even if there is, they don't have any way to pull a soul back after it has passed into Urcaen. The only way they can capture it, is by being there when it tries to pass and keeping it. As the Skorne have discovered, one way to keep a soul from passing to the afterlife is by damaging it greatly before it dies, mainly through torture. In Mortenebra's back story, it is heavily hinted that (even the current) the way to put a soul into a clockwork body has crossovers with necromancy, which makes it possible that they also employ the "damaged soul" technique. I don't think Nemo would agree with that, but regardless, if he died suddenly, there would be no time to perform the ritual, whichever it would entail. Aren't there Convergence warcasters with partly human bodies? Do they already have their souls in a soul vessel of some kind? Is there any possibility that Nemo might have already secretly bound his soul to a vessel of some sort, and when his body dies the vessel could be recovered and placed in a new mechanical body? I'm not saying it's likely at this point, I'm just exploring idea out of curiosity's sake.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Jul 2, 2019 13:39:47 GMT
Aren't there Convergence warcasters with partly human bodies? Do they already have their souls in a soul vessel of some kind? Is there any possibility that Nemo might have already secretly bound his soul to a vessel of some sort, and when his body dies the vessel could be recovered and placed in a new mechanical body? I'm not saying it's likely at this point, I'm just exploring idea out of curiosity's sake. I think the only Convergence caster that is not a Construct is Locke and she is a full human that uses an exo-suit to mechanically enhance her combat abilities. EDIT: I was wrong: Aurora and Axis are also living. Axis appears to be wearing a suit of armour, but I'm not sure how Aurora does it. At least her upper torso is still flesh and blood, so the components that are keeping her alive are still there. You realize that you're suggesting that Nemo is secretly a Lich, right? Don't get me wrong, that would be an awesome plot twist, but I don't think it's likely
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Post by Korianneder on Jul 2, 2019 17:24:10 GMT
Nemo will die and just as his soul leaves his body CoC collect it without his consent I don't think they can just do that. They need to be there when he dies and have a vessel ready. I'm also pretty sure it requires a whole ritual and doesn't "just happen". I'm positive they can't pull him back from Urcaen though. They don't even need a vessel ready. Just a soul chamber. Its theoretically possible that he's been carrying around some sort of soul chamber since his dealings with convergence.
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Post by borderprince on Jul 3, 2019 5:00:09 GMT
I don't think they can just do that. They need to be there when he dies and have a vessel ready. I'm also pretty sure it requires a whole ritual and doesn't "just happen". I'm positive they can't pull him back from Urcaen though. They don't even need a vessel ready. Just a soul chamber. Its theoretically possible that he's been carrying around some sort of soul chamber since his dealings with convergence. Although his dealings with the Convergence have Nemo rejecting the idea of moving to a vessel, which he sees as necromancy (in Dark Convergence). He's angry/disappointed when one of his friends with a terminal illness does it. There's nothing in his background so far to suggest that he would be a willing participant to any soul transfer, and this despite his awareness of his mortality.
Cryx are good at burrowing, so you would need to keep a constant watch in the crypt.
Cremation is a better bet, but unfortunately it is believed to/actually does interfere with the passage of souls to Urcaen, so probably not an option. The Greylords have been shown to have a means to render someone's remains/soul resistant to at least some necromantic techniques, but Cygnar may not know about it or is unwilling to use it.
Frankly, keeping the bodies of people you really don't want Cryx to have access to is tricky. Probably somewhere half way up a tower, with no windows, a single access point and various security measures is the best you can do. And it still won't be reliable.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jul 3, 2019 6:40:53 GMT
You realize that you're suggesting that Nemo is secretly a Lich, right? Don't get me wrong, that would be an awesome plot twist, but I don't think it's likely Yeah, I agree, it does not sound likely. Although his dealings with the Convergence have Nemo rejecting the idea of moving to a vessel, which he sees as necromancy (in Dark Convergence). He's angry/disappointed when one of his friends with a terminal illness does it. There's nothing in his background so far to suggest that he would be a willing participant to any soul transfer, and this despite his awareness of his mortality. Interesting, it's sounding less and less likely isn't it? On the other hand, it's the stages of grief right? Early on there's anger and denial, but eventually you reach acceptance. When Nemo finds himself staring death in the face and he sees Cygnar consumed by more chaos than ever, will he still hold to the same principles? OK, I'm basically just playing devil's advocate now. Based on the established fluff it sounds unlikely. But now I'm wondering just WHY there is so much fluff about one of the oldest living warcasters interacting with Cyrissists? Perhaps it's a deliberate setup? Cremation is a better bet, but unfortunately it is believed to/actually does interfere with the passage of souls to Urcaen Hmm, that doesn't seem to make much sense to me. I mean, maybe initially, but once the soul is gone, it should be fine right? I mean, how long does it take a soul to move on? Surely after a few days it should be fine to burn the body, right? When you talk about the Khador thing, are you talking about the NQ story where the Cryx steal a Grelord's body and try to extract information from it, but encounter resistance? I think it was less that his soul was resisting and more that the act of trying to recover his memories involved animating his brain, and that it his soul-less reanimated brain retained some amount of the memories and personality he had while living, and resisted in a "mechanical" (but soulless) way. At least that's what makes sense to me. It's been a while since I read that piece though.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Jul 3, 2019 7:18:34 GMT
On the other hand, it's the stages of grief right? Early on there's anger and denial, but eventually you reach acceptance. When Nemo finds himself staring death in the face and he sees Cygnar consumed by more chaos than ever, will he still hold to the same principles? That's basically the fluff behind the alternate history warcaster.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jul 3, 2019 8:06:49 GMT
On the other hand, it's the stages of grief right? Early on there's anger and denial, but eventually you reach acceptance. When Nemo finds himself staring death in the face and he sees Cygnar consumed by more chaos than ever, will he still hold to the same principles? That's basically the fluff behind the alternate history warcaster.Heh, completely forgot about that! Yeah, I don't think they'll be repeating that in the main storyline then.
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Post by elmagnifico on Jul 3, 2019 19:34:51 GMT
Heh, completely forgot about that! Yeah, I don't think they'll be repeating that in the main storyline then. While true, they also had Goreshade as an alt-history Retribution caster, so while Nemo4 is contraindicated, it's not impossible either...
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smoth
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Post by smoth on Jul 5, 2019 18:33:00 GMT
Nemo is oooold, so nemo
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