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Post by Azahul on Jul 9, 2019 23:40:41 GMT
At least their War Hogs don't have Overtake, so they're not threatening units as well as heavies
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Post by custardboy on Jul 10, 2019 0:05:55 GMT
They can do the swamp horror battle boars with a hit buff though. Or just field Makeda3 and she sorts that herself.
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bacon
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Post by bacon on Jul 10, 2019 1:05:35 GMT
Eh, while I really like playing skorne as a faction I have a hard time imagining even this theme replacing minions for me. There is something about the way the faction and the warlocks are designed that just keeps bringing me back to it. Skorne could be argued to be a lot stronger than minions but they dont have Arkadius, Sturm/drang, Carver, Rask, Jaga Jaga, or Barnabas.
Also the battleboar-swamp horror interaction the skorne caster better have some for of mat fixer for the boar since primal and elasticity are mutually exclusive. I'm not saying its weak but it will mostly only be a thing for a few casters, especially since several of these mat fixers are feats. I'm more worried about the impending light warbeast spam lists that will come when people realize that cyclops brutes will be able to wreck heavies and stay reasonably hard to kill due do native def 13, set defense, a shield, and intuition and an animi that can stop kd and stationary. Watch out for the new mak 3 lists in particular.
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Post by custardboy on Jul 10, 2019 2:18:18 GMT
Yeah the concern is more that Skorne now have Rage always available in their beast lists. Our models were balanced around rage/primal (one of the faction weaknesses), theirs around paingivers.
Yeah they absolutely must have a hit buff because battle boars are hot garbage on their own. It's still better than what we can do as it means taking a lesser warlock.
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Post by anderfreak on Jul 11, 2019 1:35:42 GMT
I sincerely doubt Disciples will be much more than a novelty still. Even with the other casters available.
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bacon
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Post by bacon on Jul 11, 2019 2:06:55 GMT
DoA infantry lists maybe, though I see double turtle rasheth being a thing. It has to be a thing now as DoA is merging with imperial warhost, so any pairing that has a warhost list will now have access to minion warbeasts and there are a lot of things skorne can do with them.
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Post by Corrupted Bauer on Jul 11, 2019 16:36:17 GMT
DOA is still going to be a thing just on virtue of it combined the beast theme so doa is THE skorne beast theme even if they take 0 minions stuff for whoever takes it. And for those lists. Eh, minions beasts at times can be better than skorne ones
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Post by custardboy on Jul 13, 2019 1:46:46 GMT
Legion just got a minion theme too, but unlike Skorne it isn't actually good. I own both legion and pigs and can't see any worthwhile interactions.
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Post by gobber on Jul 13, 2019 1:59:32 GMT
I'm actually kinda excited for Blighted Bacon? At the least it means cool conversions, but I'm also enjoying thinking through weird combos. Blighted Meat threshers that corrode anything that approaches them sound like a good time. Hambushers actually seem kinda interesting in the theme; it isn't hard to get them stealth via thagdaddy or a thresher and cheap ambush+stealth+tough+corrosive aura bodies that turn into incubi and can be recycled into shredders at least sounds like the best use for the unit yet. I also love that blighted rorsh's battlegroup is also blighted; that should make for cool brine conversions. I for one will be blighting up some razorboars just for fun (and on a wild hope that the RaBos get more useful like it seems some other lessers might?)
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Post by custardboy on Jul 13, 2019 5:48:26 GMT
If they became faction I'd be into it, but minion infantry just aren't very good. The corrosion benefit is kinda cool, but is very corner case.
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Post by Azahul on Jul 15, 2019 7:22:32 GMT
For anyone who hasn't seen it, the WWFF theme force has been spoiled. The changes to note are that the +2 Speed and free run on first turn benefit changed to allowing Lesser Warlocks to upkeep spells for free, and that the Requisition options are small- or medium-base Minion solos, Efaarit Scouts, or three Feralgeists.
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Post by ajay29 on Jul 15, 2019 7:33:45 GMT
I think it’s disappointing honestly. Overtake staying is good, the lesser fury-save wasn’t a problem to begin with (most of the time I found them dumping fury to keep the beasts in line anyway), and I feel the requisition options are poor compared to some of the other themes we’ve seen that get multiple solos or small units. Losing the speed and free run is a bitter pill to swallow.
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nackers
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Post by nackers on Jul 15, 2019 8:06:40 GMT
How's not Josh or Liam dealing with the pig cost reductions, to be honest I am happy that I don't have to face you at wintercon
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Post by Azahul on Jul 15, 2019 8:27:44 GMT
I think it’s disappointing honestly. Overtake staying is good, the lesser fury-save wasn’t a problem to begin with (most of the time I found them dumping fury to keep the beasts in line anyway), and I feel the requisition options are poor compared to some of the other themes we’ve seen that get multiple solos or small units. Losing the speed and free run is a bitter pill to swallow. I'm not sure how many spammable solos there are in WWFF. They've said they wanted to keep free points in the ~18 range, so you're looking at 2-3 point solos. Feralgeists are clear. Two Husks for one Requisition point maybe? But that feels more appropriate as a Blindwater theme benefit. Ditto for free Spirit Cauldrons. I can't really see any other options. Losing the speed and free run would hurt more if a) Every other theme wasn't also losing their equivalents, and b) it wasn't a theme benefit that only gave anything every second game on average. Though I'll concede the free upkeeps isn't mind blowing, it makes Mire better at least. How's not Josh or Liam dealing with the pig cost reductions, to be honest I am happy that I don't have to face you at wintercon He's really not dealing. At all.
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Post by ankiseth on Jul 15, 2019 19:16:10 GMT
For my money what WWFF needs most is a major Nysa Hunters point drop. I want them as Barney 1 Warpath trigger or Barney 2 and Jaga feat targets.
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