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Post by Korianneder on Aug 22, 2019 13:13:17 GMT
PP have had the issue with new products being marketed mainly to their existing customer base for quite a while, sadly. (Or rather, they don’t do much marketing at all, so the only ones aware of new stuff are people who already follow PP) That's not true at all. At gencon they heavily pushed monpoc last year and riot quest this year. They had full page ads in the program each year. They ran constant demos. And that's just at one con. They go to multiple non lock and load cons a year. If I compare it to games workshop I see much less exposure than GW, but the vast majority of exposure I see for GW is for video games or books or tv shows. If I go to tabletop gaming news and search for privateer press I get a lot of notifications for new releases and riot quest. If I search for games workshop the only information I get about their games is new releases, same as PP. They just have more exposure due to other media.
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Post by falkman on Aug 22, 2019 13:33:27 GMT
PP have had the issue with new products being marketed mainly to their existing customer base for quite a while, sadly. (Or rather, they don’t do much marketing at all, so the only ones aware of new stuff are people who already follow PP) That's not true at all. At gencon they heavily pushed monpoc last year and riot quest this year. They had full page ads in the program each year. They ran constant demos. And that's just at one con. They go to multiple non lock and load cons a year. If I compare it to games workshop I see much less exposure than GW, but the vast majority of exposure I see for GW is for video games or books or tv shows. If I go to tabletop gaming news and search for privateer press I get a lot of notifications for new releases and riot quest. If I search for games workshop the only information I get about their games is new releases, same as PP. They just have more exposure due to other media. Going to GenCon is of course a cool thing and great way to interact with the people there, but as a marketing tool it’s not really great exposure since only a couple of thousand of people go there.
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Post by michael on Aug 22, 2019 13:52:07 GMT
I told our gaming group about New Mecha yesterday. They don't pay any attention to anything PP is doing other than when something hits Warroom. We are a small isolated basement group so this is the first they had heard of it. They just laughed at the idea. To be fair, maybe writing this on the train and posting it wasn't the best idea iv ever had...… but jesus Christ you guys a brutal when it comes to feedback.... The point I was trying to get across (if I had expanded my post somewhat) is that New Mecha is probably only going to appeal to a subset of the current PP customer base. When it comes to sci fi and/or skirmish games there are currently many more appealing offerings on the market at a much better prince point. Things like Infinity and yes GW products. So im struggling to feel optimistic for the release. Our gaming group, while not off playing in tournaments etc only plays WM/H. While WM/H is not sliding off into oblivion it has consolidated around competitive metas and groups. The attitude that the only measurement of WM/H susses is how many people are turning up for Steamroller comps is part of the reason why people are being driven away or why this great game is not that appealing to others. What I don't seem to see a lot of are reports of the basement groups like our just doing their thing for fun. Something that other systems like GW, Malifaux etc do seem to have. But, without new groups like our, WM/H will continue to shrink even further. To just dismiss what a group of 6-8 blokes in on the London Essex border think because "we don't go out into the meta" is quite short sighted. As it stands I can find not other evidence of other people in our area actively playing the game or championing it and I travel to several games clubs in the area. We may well be it. That's why it matters if people like us find the concept of New Mecha laughable because we wont support it, PP products wont shift and possibly members of our group will go onto other games if they continue to feel that PP isn't doing a good job. Its borderline atm with some of them as it is. My main point is that while we have yet to see the product, the concept is largely being met with derision by our playing group and talking to people in local clubs, looking at other wargaming forums and FB groups that also seems to be the feeling from those outside our community. Im just worries that the product will be largely DoA. Which seeing it will be PPs main investment for the next year, should concern us all. Cheers For what it’s worth, I wasn’t trying to call your response out specifically. You just happened to be in the blast radius. In general, this forum has a surplus of loudmouths (not you, from what I have seen) who proclaim that their limited knowledge is universal truth. I had just stumbled out of several threads in which people were insisting that their ignorance was better than other people’s knowledge, and I overreacted. I apologize for that! Anyway. Something or the other.
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Post by michael on Aug 22, 2019 13:54:06 GMT
That's not true at all. At gencon they heavily pushed monpoc last year and riot quest this year. They had full page ads in the program each year. They ran constant demos. And that's just at one con. They go to multiple non lock and load cons a year. If I compare it to games workshop I see much less exposure than GW, but the vast majority of exposure I see for GW is for video games or books or tv shows. If I go to tabletop gaming news and search for privateer press I get a lot of notifications for new releases and riot quest. If I search for games workshop the only information I get about their games is new releases, same as PP. They just have more exposure due to other media. Going to GenCon is of course a cool thing and great way to interact with the people there, but as a marketing tool it’s not really great exposure since only a couple of thousand of people go there. I don’t know. Getting your name in front of the ~70,000 hardcore customers, those who are most likely to be the early adopters that drive your product into the hands of others, is probably not a bad plan.
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Post by beardmonk on Aug 22, 2019 15:59:03 GMT
To be fair, maybe writing this on the train and posting it wasn't the best idea iv ever had...… but jesus Christ you guys a brutal when it comes to feedback.... The point I was trying to get across (if I had expanded my post somewhat) is that New Mecha is probably only going to appeal to a subset of the current PP customer base. When it comes to sci fi and/or skirmish games there are currently many more appealing offerings on the market at a much better prince point. Things like Infinity and yes GW products. So im struggling to feel optimistic for the release. Our gaming group, while not off playing in tournaments etc only plays WM/H. While WM/H is not sliding off into oblivion it has consolidated around competitive metas and groups. The attitude that the only measurement of WM/H susses is how many people are turning up for Steamroller comps is part of the reason why people are being driven away or why this great game is not that appealing to others. What I don't seem to see a lot of are reports of the basement groups like our just doing their thing for fun. Something that other systems like GW, Malifaux etc do seem to have. But, without new groups like our, WM/H will continue to shrink even further. To just dismiss what a group of 6-8 blokes in on the London Essex border think because "we don't go out into the meta" is quite short sighted. As it stands I can find not other evidence of other people in our area actively playing the game or championing it and I travel to several games clubs in the area. We may well be it. That's why it matters if people like us find the concept of New Mecha laughable because we wont support it, PP products wont shift and possibly members of our group will go onto other games if they continue to feel that PP isn't doing a good job. Its borderline atm with some of them as it is. My main point is that while we have yet to see the product, the concept is largely being met with derision by our playing group and talking to people in local clubs, looking at other wargaming forums and FB groups that also seems to be the feeling from those outside our community. Im just worries that the product will be largely DoA. Which seeing it will be PPs main investment for the next year, should concern us all. Cheers For what it’s worth, I wasn’t trying to call your response out specifically. You just happened to be in the blast radius. In general, this forum has a surplus of loudmouths (not you, from what I have seen) who proclaim that their limited knowledge is universal truth. I had just stumbled out of several threads in which people were insisting that their ignorance was better than other people’s knowledge, and I overreacted. I apologize for that! Anyway. Something or the other. All good! No worries :-)
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thelat
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Post by thelat on Aug 22, 2019 17:51:58 GMT
Lol why are many people so defensive here? You can't make a post unless it's market research? Not to speak for others: I'm full of snark because we know almost nothing about the game and people are making elaborate speculations and having strong emotional responses to them. I'm curious about Warcaster, but not stoked. I have nothing to be excited or disappointed about.
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Post by michael on Aug 22, 2019 17:55:03 GMT
Lol why are many people so defensive here? You can't make a post unless it's market research? Not to speak for others: I'm full of snark because we know almost nothing about the game and people are making elaborate speculations and having strong emotional responses to them. I'm curious about Warcaster, but not stoked. I have nothing to be excited or disappointed about. This is true too. We got roughly three sentences about the game two months ago, and already people have staked out their philosophical territory and are proclaiming victory or defeat. Just...c’mon, people.
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Post by snoozer on Aug 23, 2019 8:13:10 GMT
I did not start in MKi so I am simply looking forward to having a fresh start warmachine, that also will play in smaller scale. To me it can be "small size warmachine (in space) and I am happy. You could play small size games now as well, but I think this new fresh game will make the cut for that size. It would also feel to be deliberately designed for the size (Steamroller argument). Maybe they even learned from 15y of warmachine
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Post by marxlives on Aug 23, 2019 14:54:43 GMT
I did not start in MKi so I am simply looking forward to having a fresh start warmachine, that also will play in smaller scale. To me it can be "small size warmachine (in space) and I am happy. You could play small size games now as well, but I think this new fresh game will make the cut for that size. It would also feel to be deliberately designed for the size (Steamroller argument). Maybe they even learned from 15y of warmachine True and PP can't have all their eggs in one basket. They need other games that they support. With that in mind I am happy to see Monsterpoc growing and Riot Quest making a splash. If Warcaster makes even a moderate splash it will put PP in a better place since, well since Dreamworks horded the license for Monsterpoc and decided to sit on it for 8 years.
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privvy
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Post by privvy on Aug 23, 2019 15:52:07 GMT
Over the last few pages there was some thought about why the magic stopped. What if it's as simple as "Technology replaced the need to use magic, because a machine could do in a minute what may take a magic user hours or days, so we stopped earning it or needing from the gods that we know are still around?"
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Post by Charistoph on Aug 24, 2019 4:08:39 GMT
That could be. It could also be that there were so few practitioners that left Caenn for the stars that they simply died out and any other races they found out there never developed their own, leaving magic to Caenn, which is no longer accessible.
Honestly, I think abandoning it completely from the narrative is a mistake. There are other aspects of magic, such as the Skorne Mortitheurgy, that are not reliant on anything like deals with other-dimensional beings that could be utilized. These could be accessed by the other races they encounter, but completely cut off from the Caennites. Though after 5000 years, there may not be enough left of the aliens who could do magic to affect the story or game space. This still doesn't stop it from being a mistake, just a choice.
Of course, we could see alien magic starting to come in to play after a year or two as the "Neo-Warlock" game comes in to play...
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Post by Havock on Sept 10, 2019 21:48:33 GMT
Well, you know what they say about sufficiently advanced magic or technology :v
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Post by marxlives on Sept 16, 2019 18:15:17 GMT
Over the last few pages there was some thought about why the magic stopped. What if it's as simple as "Technology replaced the need to use magic, because a machine could do in a minute what may take a magic user hours or days, so we stopped earning it or needing from the gods that we know are still around?" Cyriss ends up integrating herself with Immoren's ley lines. That would pretty much flip the table on magic.
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