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Post by belgarath112 on May 15, 2019 16:51:49 GMT
That´s why we all three are discussing our lists openly, to tweak them a bit so everyone has - hopefully - a chance and fun playing.
What I have ignored - because I didn´t know since now - is the simple fact that I have to keep my chosen models, I thought I have just to keep my caster.
So, I am now planning "on the long run", even risking loosing first games.
Im am thinking about two casters: eKrüger (the one I played almost all of my games with)
0 Points: - Feral - Woldwyrd (2 Points spare)
15 Points: Dunno, already missing my Megalith - a Stalker?
Problem I got with this "tree" I can never implement my beloved Megalith, aside from playing fewer Points at some Point.
eKromac:
0 Points: - Gnarlhorn - Argus - Woldwyrd
or: - Gnarlhorn - Gnarlhorn saving 4 Points for Ghetorix at 15 Points
or: - Gnarlhorn - Woldwyrd saving even more Points
Oh crap, Right now I am thinking to even try Iona the first time. Sure Foot against knock down and so on.
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Post by Dev Null on May 15, 2019 23:32:20 GMT
Yeah, that's what I was hinting at when I mentioned strict growth. If you're stuck with the models you've already picked - which I'm pretty sure is standard Journeyman rules, though one of the ones I played chose to ignore that rule - then you want to be really careful about which theme you're working towards. Because by the end, you're really going to want a theme; the game is just skewed that way at the moment. So starting with a Gnarlhorn and a Woldwyrd pretty much ties you to The Wild Hunt, which may not be what you wanted.
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Post by belgarath112 on May 22, 2019 17:26:46 GMT
Crap, my whole post wasn saved, due to Forum crashes today… So, once gain. I finally got a "plan"...well, of some kind. I would very much appreciate any tipps.
0 Points: Iona Stalker -> Will lose these 2 games I somehow guess…
15 Points: Iona Stalker Ghetorix Brighid and Caul
30 Points: Iona Stalker Ghetorix Brighid and Caul max Ravagers + Chieftain (free)
45 Points: Iona Stalker Ghetorix Brighid and Caul max Ravagers + Chieftain (free) min. Trackers Gallows Spirit Cauldron
60 Points: Iona Stalker Ghetorix Brighid and Caul max Ravagers + Chieftain (free) max Trackers + Nuala Gallows Spirit Cauldron Tharn Ravager White Mane / or LotF (when taking LotF, taking him for free instead of Chieftain) Tharn Wolf Rider Champion (free)
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Post by Trollock on May 22, 2019 20:00:11 GMT
In steamroller you are not allowed to play more than 4 points below the point limit. Is this different in journeyman? Also... why play 11 points short? EDIT: you are actually way more than 11 points short at most levels... am i missing something? At the 15 point level you can add up to 11 points worth of warbeasts AND 8 points of units/solos...
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Post by belgarath112 on May 23, 2019 3:44:39 GMT
ups, missed to add the Ghetorix the whole time^^ edited my post
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Post by Munindk on May 23, 2019 6:03:01 GMT
A couple of issues, at least from a journeyman perspective In standard journeyman (and listbuilding in general), you're only allowed to play 5pts down, week 1 you're 11pts down. Also, in standard journeyman you're only allowed battlegroup models at 15pts, so no Brighid and Caul before 30pts. The following isnt meant as snappy or rude, its written with the best of intentions, so please forgive the tone. I think you're so far from the journeyman concept at this point that you should probably call it something else to avoid getting bad advice from people who think its a modified journeyman league. From what I'm reading it doesnt sound like you're playing these games to learn the basic rules and then add complexity slowly. You sound more like experienced players trying a list building format that presents new challenges and you're trying to optimise your lists to deal with those challenges. Talk about the league rules with the other players and modify the league rules to suit the games you want to play. Are they having trouble squeezing in models like Megalith and Ghetorix too? The easy fix is to change one of the points levels so you add 20pts instead of 15pts. If you're saving 5 pts from the week before, you should be able to add almost any single model/unit, barring collossals. And since you all know what week it is, then you'll all know when your opponents are going to be bringing powerful models.
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Post by belgarath112 on May 23, 2019 15:06:33 GMT
It really took a long time for me to understand something written here as rude or snappy, I am happy for every Input. As a matter of fact, I forgot about the rules with "only battlegroup at 15pts"
I asked my opponents, they would be happy About some Units, regardless when, because they are both playing Beast/´Jack heavy lists and they seem to be relativly good at Infanterie removing. I personally absolutly hate Anyssa Ryvaal for example and have no clue what to do about her.
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