crow
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Post by crow on May 14, 2019 4:48:47 GMT
1) What tarpits does cygnar have that come anywhere CLOSE to Halbies or Rocketmen (both with UA) under Transmutation? 2) What unber contesters/scenario pieces does CYgnar have that come anywhere close for 3 points that are called trancers? And with 1+2 then issue then becomes that CG rarely (ever?) needs to close. They can play the ranged game all they want to great ranged platforms - some of which LAUGH at typed weapons. All your weapons fire based? You might not even bother dropping into certain CG lists as you will be permanently a dice off (or no damage) on your rolls.
I'd say look at some of the options in Grave Diggers. A point more you get the Trencher Junior, who with his +2 range spell on say a hunter, will probably kill that Trencher and the things that move up to replace said trencher before they become relevant. Or if you're talking a cheap contesting solo, there's always the dog. Then I can see a few ways to still have high defense to their shooting, while packing a punch all your own. Although kinda lacking a jamming unit, sons of tempest has the tempest rifleman that's again only a point more and probably just invalidates the trencher 9/10. Then again I haven't played Cygnar personally in a while so I'm only commenting what I've seen across the table. Ultimately if you wanna leave, I guess no one is stopping you. As a convergence and dwarf player though I'm used to taking what I have and trying to re-invent it in new ways to use it. Still hoping to find a good list with OAC or High Shields, but no luck... YET!
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snoozer
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Post by snoozer on May 14, 2019 14:08:29 GMT
Trancers are a problem if you can't deal with def15+ and the rocketmen are a problem if you can't as well. Accurate shooting would be something to play against this and Cygnar has that accurate shooting. I would really expect Cygnar to become more played in the upcoming time because of the Meta and because CID break forces everyone to actually start crafting new lists with "old" stuff instead of just playing the latest CID stuff because hot/new
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Post by beardmonk on May 14, 2019 18:31:58 GMT
An another counterpoint. Welsh Masters has 13 players. Apparently its the biggest single player event in Europe. Solidly middle in terms of numbers. OK so Circle are WAY out in front in terms of player numbers. But Cygnar seem to be far from dead. Sam amount as the Troll players, which is a surprise to me as a Troll player as i expected there to be far less for us: conflictchamber.com/?event=816Not sure what point im trying to prove here other than to provide stats to people.
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Post by Gamingdevil on May 15, 2019 6:24:08 GMT
Apparently its the biggest single player event in Europe. There's 188 people with lists registered. I think that might qualify as one of the biggest single player events in the world?
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cain
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Post by cain on May 19, 2019 8:22:29 GMT
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Post by hocestbellum on May 19, 2019 9:07:43 GMT
Ouch! I'm not sure how those stats are done, but it looks like they're calculating the % based on the total number of games that each faction will have played by the end. Because RND5 is ongoing, and yet it's done as if they'd all played 5 games each.
Still looks bad for Cygnar, though; even if you win the last 5 that only puts you on 27%, and almost certainly still bottom.
Top 5 tables have 5 Circle players. 11 of their 15 lists are Devourer's Host. Looks like the meta hasn't figured out a decent solution just yet!
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mrtuna
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Post by mrtuna on May 19, 2019 13:58:36 GMT
Ouch! I'm not sure how those stats are done, but it looks like they're calculating the % based on the total number of games that each faction will have played by the end. Because RND5 is ongoing, and yet it's done as if they'd all played 5 games each. Still looks bad for Cygnar, though; even if you win the last 5 that only puts you on 27%, and almost certainly still bottom. Top 5 tables have 5 Circle players. 11 of their 15 lists are Devourer's Host. Looks like the meta hasn't figured out a decent solution just yet! PoM is doing solid, it seems like they are passing Skorne as the Circle answer?
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