bundeez
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Post by bundeez on May 8, 2019 14:25:39 GMT
What about the rest of the bottom? Merc - 3 Trollbloods - 2 Minions - 0 Convergence - 1 Crucible - 3 All in the bottom half ofcourse. Send it to PP Only surprise to me is the sudden love for Grymkin again. Guess the Clockatrice and horse UA is good enough.
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Post by slaughtersun on May 8, 2019 14:27:00 GMT
Just seem the Irish Gauntlet breakdown, not a single Cygnar player... Cygnar is the weakest faction in the game right now Lol
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Post by beardmonk on May 8, 2019 14:43:14 GMT
Eh, let's not get carried away, it will come back around. Just be patient. We had like 4 solid years out of the last 10 being the Big Cheese in this game, and a good chunk of the rest in the top half, so I don't feel like we have a lot of room to complain. Everybody gets their turn to be skorned sometimes. No way, this is just bonkers. Nobody should be skorned, and now CIDs are gonna stop for a while so good luck getting better. We wil remain the worst faction in the game for many years, Firetrucking devs not caring about the state of the game. Welcome to being a Troll player. Or Circle for the 2 years before their CID. Or Skorne before the Durp Turtle update. etc etc. Why does Cygnar get to be exempt? Yes there are some "easy button" combos in some factions right now. But maybe the community need to start re-thinking how it approaches the meta, list building, scenarios etc?
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Post by mcdermott on May 8, 2019 16:08:05 GMT
Eh, let's not get carried away, it will come back around. Just be patient. We had like 4 solid years out of the last 10 being the Big Cheese in this game, and a good chunk of the rest in the top half, so I don't feel like we have a lot of room to complain. Everybody gets their turn to be skorned sometimes. No way, this is just bonkers. Nobody should be skorned, and now CIDs are gonna stop for a while so good luck getting better. We wil remain the worst faction in the game for many years, Firetrucking devs not caring about the state of the game. Has there ever been a time in any faction based game ever created where someone didn't get skorned? Just asking to determine whether this is legitimately a reasonable position to take or if its right up there with "we should never have wars anywhere in the world" in the realm of yes that would be nice but good luck making it actually happen.
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Post by deathbymelancholy on May 8, 2019 16:58:21 GMT
Also, I don't see anyone BRINGING Cygnar, so how can you even judge how good they are? Now if they are there and going 1-X or whatever I could buy the argument. But they aren't even appearing. What tools are they missing exactly? Themes, got a couple. Casters, they're fine. Units, maybe? But there's some good stuff in there. 'Jacks, solos, merc choices? I just don't see where they are so bad other than they just aren't being played.
My beloved Trolls didn't do so hot either, but I still think they have room to grow and expand with a lot less tools than the Swans.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on May 8, 2019 18:41:36 GMT
For all the people suggesting Cygnar players just need to explore more options, please suggest some lists or be quiet, Cygnar is not viable competitively atm
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Post by darkangeldentist on May 8, 2019 20:28:42 GMT
For all the people suggesting Cygnar players just need to explore more options, please suggest some lists or be quiet, Cygnar is not viable competitively atm I don't feel that's true myself but going by the current data from the Welsh Masters, Cygnar still has something of a following. Joint 4th most popular faction (tied with Khador) whereas Cryx are down in 8th. I'm not that good with my lists but you know them to be a special kind of weird that's not (completely) uncompetitive. If only I weren't so terrible on clock... SOO has certainly been quite a low point for showing the game's diversity and balance but at least part of it might have been because of Champions.
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Ganso
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Post by Ganso on May 8, 2019 20:49:53 GMT
Cygnar only needs 1 S-Tier caster so that the old guard can crutch hard on it like they're used to
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Post by mydnight on May 8, 2019 21:53:43 GMT
Cygnar is getting awe on a stick and FitD. I'm sure we'll see a bunch of Stryker2 and Connie builds when it hits the ground, possibly even awe+Haley3.
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Post by mcdermott on May 8, 2019 23:09:07 GMT
Cygnar only needs 1 S-Tier caster so that the old guard can crutch hard on it like they're used to rood. Accurate, but rood
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Post by deathbymelancholy on May 10, 2019 16:00:09 GMT
For all the people suggesting Cygnar players just need to explore more options, please suggest some lists or be quiet, Cygnar is not viable competitively atm McWaters had some suggestions on the Boosted Rolls podcast they just released. Pretty early in the episode if you wanted to check that out.
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shiver
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Post by shiver on May 10, 2019 16:07:20 GMT
I just dont understand what's pushing Cygnar out. Last competitive event i went to Haley 3 trenches was still considered top tier (that was in 2018 though)
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on May 10, 2019 16:23:23 GMT
For all the people suggesting Cygnar players just need to explore more options, please suggest some lists or be quiet, Cygnar is not viable competitively atm McWaters had some suggestions on the Boosted Rolls podcast they just released. Pretty early in the episode if you wanted to check that out. Just listened to that conversation, he said Cygnar is actually strong in the limited Champions format. Although still no one played them in champions, so that fact refutes that statement pretty hard as far as I'm concerned . In Masters format he admitted Cygnar is preyed on heavily by the top 4 meta lists, and offered no list suggestions Hardly an endorsement of Cygnar
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crow
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Post by crow on May 10, 2019 17:43:56 GMT
I saw a Kara Sloan jack spam that used a combination of fireflies, hunters, and chargers that destroyed my convergence and I remember thinking would have done well into a lot of things. Haley3 cloud wall still seems like against a lot of match ups would be strong. I had a Caine 3 list in Cygnar that took a lot of people by surprise and could really leverage attrition in your favour or just assassinate (mind you this was pre Tharn post chosen). I still think they have tricks, you just gotta find them. People are to reliant on CID to highlight and point a glowing neon sign at options now o days.
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Post by mcdermott on May 10, 2019 20:56:02 GMT
I saw a Kara Sloan jack spam that used a combination of fireflies, hunters, and chargers that destroyed my convergence and I remember thinking would have done well into a lot of things. Haley3 cloud wall still seems like against a lot of match ups would be strong. I had a Caine 3 list in Cygnar that took a lot of people by surprise and could really leverage attrition in your favour or just assassinate (mind you this was pre Tharn post chosen). I still think they have tricks, you just gotta find them. People are to reliant on CID to highlight and point a glowing neon sign at options now o days. I remember when cygnar was raging about something or another and a dude won some big tournament with a stryker1 list that made disgusting centurions you couldnt charge then shoved you around with thunderbolts from gun mages.
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