cain
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Post by cain on Apr 23, 2019 20:41:38 GMT
The CID updates for week 2 are out. Two big changes is that the cygnar heavy metal theme is getting access to a merc solo. And that Precursor knights are added to the CiD. For Precursor knights Spell Ward are changed to to Sacred Ward. Happy times  Hoping it stays..... |
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Post by Aegis on Apr 23, 2019 21:31:45 GMT
Both very good changes.
I may start taking some dust away from my Darius now that HM let's you bring a merc solo.
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sorokin
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Post by sorokin on Apr 23, 2019 21:35:08 GMT
Both very good changes. I may start taking some dust away from my Darius now that HM let's you bring a merc solo. How does that change affect darius if I may ask? Genuinely curious here. |
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Post by Aegis on Apr 23, 2019 21:40:11 GMT
Both very good changes. I may start taking some dust away from my Darius now that HM let's you bring a merc solo. How does that change affect darius if I may ask? Genuinely curious here. At the beginning of MK3, before themes were a thing, I had lot of fun with Darius. The problem was that my lists included other casters character jacks and few merc solos. After themes became mandatory, I struggled to find a good theme to play Darius with. Heavy Metal was the most obvious choice, but excluding both character jacks and merc solos turned out to be too much to enjoy the type of lists I used to play with Darius. Now that Heavy Metal can take a merc solo, maybe I'll manage to get a list with him that I like (maybe not, but it's already an improvement). |
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Post by mydnight on Apr 23, 2019 21:50:30 GMT
The morrowan archon now is Cygnar Partisan, grants infinite shield guard to a model base 2 base, and has awe. Stack that with Haley 3 please.
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Post by Aegis on Apr 24, 2019 0:38:42 GMT
The morrowan archon now is Cygnar Partisan, grants infinite shield guard to a model base 2 base, and has awe. Stack that with Haley 3 please. So now we get infinite shield guard and Girded from the Archon, and cheap spammable shield guards with the Morrowan Battle Priests, and the same do Mercs... It's possible that the only thing PP comes up when they lack ideas is MOAR shield guards? |
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Post by mydnight on Apr 24, 2019 0:59:16 GMT
The morrowan archon now is Cygnar Partisan, grants infinite shield guard to a model base 2 base, and has awe. Stack that with Haley 3 please. So now we get infinite shield guard and Girded from the Archon, and cheap spammable shield guards with the Morrowan Battle Priests, and the same do Mercs... It's possible that the only thing PP comes up when they lack ideas is MOAR shield guards? I agree that they're fumbling with the battle priests. The archon however seems pretty cool as the opportunity cost for the model outside of the morrowan theme is pretty large typically. |
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Post by elmagnifico on Apr 24, 2019 2:05:48 GMT
The new Archon does make me want to take one in storm division and huddle up a pile of storm knights around it. Let's see those guns remove my stormblades/guard/lances now. Arcane Shield/Dauntless/Decel optional.
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Post by mydnight on Apr 24, 2019 2:25:39 GMT
The new Archon does make me want to take one in storm division and huddle up a pile of storm knights around it. Let's see those guns remove my stormblades/guard/lances now. Arcane Shield/Dauntless/Decel optional. It will be a hilarious sight. Making storm lances def 15 against living is also pretty nifty. You could bubble stormlances in front of him, and put stormblades at the back out of LoS because of tactician. The only problem is you give up rhupert to get him. There isn't any native pathfinder in SD. I'm also thinking in heavy metal you can bring all the Jrs and have them bubble around an archon. Haley2 will love that HM can bring a solo (ie Ragman!) again. |
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sorokin
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Post by sorokin on Apr 24, 2019 10:21:09 GMT
The new Archon does make me want to take one in storm division and huddle up a pile of storm knights around it. Let's see those guns remove my stormblades/guard/lances now. Arcane Shield/Dauntless/Decel optional. It will be a hilarious sight. Making storm lances def 15 against living is also pretty nifty. You could bubble stormlances in front of him, and put stormblades at the back out of LoS because of tactician. The only problem is you give up rhupert to get him. There isn't any native pathfinder in SD. I'm also thinking in heavy metal you can bring all the Jrs and have them bubble around an archon. Haley2 will love that HM can bring a solo (ie Ragman!) again. Good thing there is actually a Storm Knight caster that grants relentless charge in a bubble around her. :thinking: They will make you learn to love Maddox! |
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sorokin
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Post by sorokin on Apr 24, 2019 10:22:15 GMT
How does that change affect darius if I may ask? Genuinely curious here. At the beginning of MK3, before themes were a thing, I had lot of fun with Darius. The problem was that my lists included other casters character jacks and few merc solos. After themes became mandatory, I struggled to find a good theme to play Darius with. Heavy Metal was the most obvious choice, but excluding both character jacks and merc solos turned out to be too much to enjoy the type of lists I used to play with Darius. Now that Heavy Metal can take a merc solo, maybe I'll manage to get a list with him that I like (maybe not, but it's already an improvement). I see, what merc solos do you think have particular synergies with him? |
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Post by Aegis on Apr 24, 2019 11:10:04 GMT
At the beginning of MK3, before themes were a thing, I had lot of fun with Darius. The problem was that my lists included other casters character jacks and few merc solos. After themes became mandatory, I struggled to find a good theme to play Darius with. Heavy Metal was the most obvious choice, but excluding both character jacks and merc solos turned out to be too much to enjoy the type of lists I used to play with Darius. Now that Heavy Metal can take a merc solo, maybe I'll manage to get a list with him that I like (maybe not, but it's already an improvement). I see, what merc solos do you think have particular synergies with him? Well, the first that comes to mind is Ragman, considering how much he multplies the Jackhammer spam. Lanyssa was also quite handy considering that Darius has a very long and weird threat with Refuge+Jackhammer, so getting 2 extra inches and an extra focus (free charge) was nice. Thor with Avalancher was also very nice to knock things down and than maul them with Jackhammers. Of course, you only get to play one of them, but it's already a beginning. I also thing that things like Sloan and Caine will enjoy having La Rovissi there to Shadow Fire things, or having the option to take the Gobber instead of Squire. Giving a merc solo to Heavy Metal opens up a lot of nice lists. |
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Post by droopingpuppy on Apr 26, 2019 4:09:59 GMT
They discounted Precursors a bit, though 14 points seems still high.
Also, Morrow Archon losts Set Defense and its CMD is reduced to 8.
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Post by mydnight on Apr 26, 2019 4:18:37 GMT
They discounted Precursors a bit, though 14 points seems still high. Also, Morrow Archon losts Set Defense and its CMD is reduced to 8. Battle priests lost shield guard but now have two pwr 11 attacks. If you bring three of them with the precursors (3 free in theme) that's a lot of weaponmaster attacks on feat turn. When the unit is 15 models big it makes sense to have practised manoeuvres and the standard on them. They also hand out tough when B2B, which particularly makes sense when your unit is shieldwalling. |
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Post by onijet01 on Apr 26, 2019 9:06:21 GMT
They discounted Precursors a bit, though 14 points seems still high. Also, Morrow Archon losts Set Defense and its CMD is reduced to 8. Battle priests lost shield guard but now have two pwr 11 attacks. If you bring three of them with the precursors (3 free in theme) that's a lot of weaponmaster attacks on feat turn. When the unit is 15 models big it makes sense to have practised manoeuvres and the standard on them. They also hand out tough when B2B, which particularly makes sense when your unit is shieldwalling. Or the idea that in heavy metal you can now run a full unit colossal two lights and a free squire and only scratch 57 points at best. Seriously haley 1 can over tune the teapon master damage by giving extra attacks on feat turn, as well as up the armor with arcane sheild. Seige 1 and 2 would love them as a armor cracking force and Well hell we can place upkeeps on them now look into heavy metal and take one arcon (moro) as your faction merc solo |
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