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Post by michael on Apr 24, 2019 20:15:51 GMT
I mean, even the Crusader can get to Juggy levels of damage output thanks to Sevvy_0 and Choir, and Protectorate has had access to that for a while now, with little noise coming from Feora_3. So, /shrug I guess. The Crusader surpasses Juggernaut output as soon as the Choir enters the picture. P+S 18/14 goes to P+S 20/16, and that's before all the various theme benefits and caster buffs come into play. (Yes, I am aware of the MAT 6 / MAT 7 difference and how it impacts things. The difference is negligible considering the Crusader rings in at 3 points cheaper, in my opinion.)
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Post by Havock on Apr 24, 2019 21:45:39 GMT
You're thinking too small.
Grolars or clamjacks. Grolar punches really hard but also swaps out his little machine guns for an A-10 strapped to his shoulder.
Devastators can screen well and either punch for MAT8 POW20 or even 22, completely fixing their melee issues or autohit for 22.
Kodiaks can likewise keep her alive via clouds.
Ultimately she will be far tougher to kill between the War Dog and the Hermit.
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Post by kovnikninehouse on Apr 24, 2019 21:51:30 GMT
I too am thinking these Menoth Caster and choir will like the Grolar and Kodiaks in this theme force. They are fast enough to keep up with the cavalry and natural pathfinder which Menoth lacks will be very interesting to me anyways
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Post by kovnikninehouse on Apr 24, 2019 22:09:27 GMT
Not sure about this list bit it seems like it might be okay conflictchamber.com/?c3201b_-1hp7dZ7s1LoRm03Ep33B2_dSkQi6Khador Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Warriors of the Old Faith !!! This army contains a CID entry. !!! This list is using a CID theme. [Feora 3] Feora, the Conquering Flame [+27] - Grolar [18] - Kodiak [13] - Vigilant [9] Hermit of Henge Hold [0(4)] High Exemplar Gravus [8] High Paladin Dartan Vilmon [0(6)] Two Vassals of Menoth [0(6)] Wrack [1] Choir of Menoth (min) [4] Flame Bringers (max) [17] Man-O-War Siege Chariot [15] Winter Guard Gun Carriage [17]
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Post by mydnight on Apr 24, 2019 22:50:02 GMT
Not sure about this list bit it seems like it might be okay conflictchamber.com/?c3201b_-1hp7dZ7s1LoRm03Ep33B2_dSkQi6Khador Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Warriors of the Old Faith !!! This army contains a CID entry. !!! This list is using a CID theme. [Feora 3] Feora, the Conquering Flame [+27] - Grolar [18] - Kodiak [13] - Vigilant [9] Hermit of Henge Hold [0(4)] High Exemplar Gravus [8] High Paladin Dartan Vilmon [0(6)] Two Vassals of Menoth [0(6)] Wrack [1] Choir of Menoth (min) [4] Flame Bringers (max) [17] Man-O-War Siege Chariot [15] Winter Guard Gun Carriage [17] Would not bring Gravus unless you're bringing vengers. He only collects souls from exemplars. A Champ will work better (Vilmon gives it righteous vengeance too). I guess Fenris is also an option. As a menite those kodiaks are looking really attractive. Since they have three initials thats a +6 swing from choir, and they have pathfinder and can keep up and the cloud has other utility. It's like everything the Castigator is not. With Feora3 however the Grolar seems almost autoinclude.
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Post by kovnikninehouse on Apr 24, 2019 22:57:19 GMT
Not sure about this list bit it seems like it might be okay conflictchamber.com/?c3201b_-1hp7dZ7s1LoRm03Ep33B2_dSkQi6Khador Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Warriors of the Old Faith !!! This army contains a CID entry. !!! This list is using a CID theme. [Feora 3] Feora, the Conquering Flame [+27] - Grolar [18] - Kodiak [13] - Vigilant [9] Hermit of Henge Hold [0(4)] High Exemplar Gravus [8] High Paladin Dartan Vilmon [0(6)] Two Vassals of Menoth [0(6)] Wrack [1] Choir of Menoth (min) [4] Flame Bringers (max) [17] Man-O-War Siege Chariot [15] Winter Guard Gun Carriage [17] Would not bring Gravus unless you're bringing vengers. He only collects souls from exemplars. A Champ will work better (Vilmon gives it righteous vengeance too). I guess Fenris is also an option. As a menite those kodiaks are looking really attractive. Since they have three initials thats a +6 swing from choir, and they have pathfinder and can keep up and the cloud has other utility. It's like everything the Castigator is not. With Feora3 however the Grolar seems almost autoinclude. Thanks for the input i did not look at Gravus I just know I hate playing against him
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Post by d3z on Apr 24, 2019 23:18:51 GMT
I mean, even the Crusader can get to Juggy levels of damage output thanks to Sevvy_0 and Choir, and Protectorate has had access to that for a while now, with little noise coming from Feora_3. So, /shrug I guess. I want to take that one step further now and go down to Berserkers, maybe 8 point jacks doing Juggy levels of output (+ berserk) will be more interesting.
Some of these casters (especially Vlad3) have been weak until this point is that they both could never get everything they wanted in one list due to models being split across themes. Both factions could never take light and heavy cav together, etc. In addition to having Khador jacks, there might be new warrior model combos (flamebringers, outriders, hand of silence, heavy cav, etc) that finally get her going.
Getting access to all cav from 2 factions has immediately fixed Vlad3 though, IMO.
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Post by sand20go on Apr 24, 2019 23:48:59 GMT
I mean, even the Crusader can get to Juggy levels of damage output thanks to Sevvy_0 and Choir, and Protectorate has had access to that for a while now, with little noise coming from Feora_3. So, /shrug I guess.
Getting access to all cav from 2 factions has immediately fixed Vlad3 though, IMO. THis. Vlad getting access to a melee oriented light (the flamebringers) on top of a Heavy along with (any of 3) BE is a huge boon. Plus the Drakhun and the Paladin Drakhun offer some really interesting combos between counter charge and retailitory strke AND various knockdown options.....oh and PARRY so you can repo back without risk and force them to move and thus get countercharged ;-)....
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Post by jonnyboy on Apr 25, 2019 0:09:43 GMT
Uhm, side note. Is this theme just turning into our new jack theme?? Cav and fun carriage to deal with infantry. Jacks are all 22 vs shooting and 24 on the turn you get alpha'd. Choir for defense and damage buffing, wrack and vassals for focus. Access to boundless charge. conflictchamber.com/?c3201b_-1hpakWkTkTkTkTp4p33B2_2_2vi6Khador Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Warriors of the Old Faith !!! This list is using a CID theme. [Durst 1] Anson Durst, Rock of the Faith [+28] - Juggernaut [13] - Marauder [11] - Marauder [11] - Marauder [11] - Marauder [11] Two Vassal Mechaniks [0(2)] Two Vassals of Menoth [0(6)] Wrack [1] Choir of Menoth (min) [4] Choir of Menoth (min) [4] Exemplar Vengers (max) [20] Winter Guard Gun Carriage [17]
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Post by mydnight on Apr 25, 2019 0:46:20 GMT
Uhm, side note. Is this theme just turning into our new jack theme?? Cav and fun carriage to deal with infantry. Jacks are all 22 vs shooting and 24 on the turn you get alpha'd. Choir for defense and damage buffing, wrack and vassals for focus. Access to boundless charge. conflictchamber.com/?c3201b_-1hpakWkTkTkTkTp4p33B2_2_2vi6Khador Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Warriors of the Old Faith !!! This list is using a CID theme. [Durst 1] Anson Durst, Rock of the Faith [+28] - Juggernaut [13] - Marauder [11] - Marauder [11] - Marauder [11] - Marauder [11] Two Vassal Mechaniks [0(2)] Two Vassals of Menoth [0(6)] Wrack [1] Choir of Menoth (min) [4] Choir of Menoth (min) [4] Exemplar Vengers (max) [20] Winter Guard Gun Carriage [17] Its horribly slow and loses on scenario. PoM tries to bring Judicators to shore it up but Durst doesn't shake up the meta. Maybe kodiaks since they are faster and can support the cavalry better.
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Post by jonnyboy on Apr 25, 2019 2:13:46 GMT
Uhm, side note. Is this theme just turning into our new jack theme?? Cav and fun carriage to deal with infantry. Jacks are all 22 vs shooting and 24 on the turn you get alpha'd. Choir for defense and damage buffing, wrack and vassals for focus. Access to boundless charge. conflictchamber.com/?c3201b_-1hpakWkTkTkTkTp4p33B2_2_2vi6Khador Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Warriors of the Old Faith !!! This list is using a CID theme. [Durst 1] Anson Durst, Rock of the Faith [+28] - Juggernaut [13] - Marauder [11] - Marauder [11] - Marauder [11] - Marauder [11] Two Vassal Mechaniks [0(2)] Two Vassals of Menoth [0(6)] Wrack [1] Choir of Menoth (min) [4] Choir of Menoth (min) [4] Exemplar Vengers (max) [20] Winter Guard Gun Carriage [17] Its horribly slow and loses on scenario. PoM tries to bring Judicators to shore it up but Durst doesn't shake up the meta. Maybe kodiaks since they are faster and can support the cavalry better. I swapped in the BE for another unit of cav. But turn two you are 23-26" up the board if your jacks are the limiting factor. The cav have nice threat ranges and on that turn 2 your cav and jacks are effectively armor 24-26. Maybe seems slow, but id have to see it on the board.
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