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Post by michael on Apr 24, 2019 2:37:30 GMT
What’s that, Harkevich?
You’re going to move out into a tiny dump of an apartment while Durst moves into your old room, except it’s much bigger and better and he went ahead and redecorated without asking?
Well, all right then.
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Post by sand20go on Apr 24, 2019 3:21:11 GMT
So I am trying to figure out how to provide the greatest amount of "fun" with Venting Steam Kodiaks that have enliven on them. Sadly no parry so you would take the freestrike but if you had mechanics on the back end......
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Post by steeltitan on Apr 24, 2019 8:47:50 GMT
Uhhhhhh, i love Durst!
The feat and Decel? Hello, ARM 29 Devastators! Hello, ARM 24 all-my-other-Jacks!
Brace for Impact? Yeah, because f*** you, Trancers!
Bulwark and Deceleration on Uhlans with Wall of Steel? DEF 14, ARM 21 cavalry, yes. Reading is hard...Bulwark is BG only...that makes me less excited...
And I haven't even looked at any of the Paladins in much detail but Vilmon looks super solid.
You can now combine the fast alpha-strike element of the theme but super strong attrition. I'm stoked!
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Apr 24, 2019 12:45:05 GMT
What Durnst lacks in speed he seems to make up for by bringing this great big wall of Nope.
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Post by Havock on Apr 24, 2019 14:01:36 GMT
What’s that, Harkevich? You’re going to move out into a tiny dump of an apartment while Durst moves into your old room, except it’s much bigger and better and he went ahead and redecorated without asking? Well, all right then. Durst also frequently has a friend over called "Feora" who has Incite and does things with Khador jacks nobody thought would be possible but for a short while ago :v
Sad Harkevich is sad.
It's arguably a better jack theme than Jaws!
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Post by auraco on Apr 24, 2019 15:05:24 GMT
Uh, ok... Am I the only one not on the Durst train? His only spd buff is boundless charge so his battlegroup is going to struggle to keep up with cavalry models, I've played against him enough to not really take him seriously and I personnally find him about as bad as Harkevich.
As for Feora3, I think she's an interesting option, but with only Redline as a jack spd buff I really don't see her becoming a serious jack caster.
I greatly dislike Jaws, but there's no way this theme is a better jack theme than jaws. With the paladins added to the theme, you're going to want to go to 60 points of things counting for free stuff, so the jack loadout is usually going to be between 2 and 3 jacks, or one if you're taking a colossal.
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Post by Havock on Apr 24, 2019 17:07:05 GMT
I think what you do is run him and his BG up, feat to protect your cav models, then launch them up there while he runs up to be second wave.
In theory, it works :v
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Post by auraco on Apr 24, 2019 17:32:09 GMT
Yeah just like in theory it should work in a menoth army, in practice it just doesn't, he can't projet an important enough threat to actually get mileage out of the feat, or so have been my experiences against him all the times I've played against him. I don't think using him with all the cavalry changes that, he needs a big battlegroup to use his feat but he doesn't actually run jacks all that well so it just falls flat.
An other caster that should work in theory and just doesn't in menoth is Feora3, but I think her having access to our battle engines in Warriors of the Old Faith might actually change that.
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Post by Havock on Apr 24, 2019 18:01:37 GMT
Menoth arguably doesn't have the jacks she wants -aside from her personal pet-, both the Khador jack stable and the Battle Engines open up new avenues for her.
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Post by auraco on Apr 24, 2019 18:35:07 GMT
Yeah she'll like juggies and maraudeurs, that's fore sure, having access to vassals and choir is also pretty big, but I don't think she'll actually want more than 3 jacks at most, redline can only go at so many places at once and incite cost too much focus for her to run a lot of jacks. Incite getting the fun carriage to two rat 7 pow 18 shot is actually pretty cool though, that and the mat 8 line breaker melee attacks at pow 16. I see a lot more possibilities with a fun carriage than with a juggy here.
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Post by sand20go on Apr 24, 2019 18:58:46 GMT
Yeah she'll like juggies and maraudeurs, that's fore sure, having access to vassals and choir is also pretty big, but I don't think she'll actually want more than 3 jacks at most, redline can only go at so many places at once and incite cost too much focus for her to run a lot of jacks. Incite getting the fun carriage to two rat 7 pow 18 shot is actually pretty cool though, that and the mat 8 line breaker melee attacks at pow 16. I see a lot more possibilities with a fun carriage than with a juggy here. Keep in mind that her feat allows her to cast Incite for free. Essentially a "big turn" feat with then late game applications if you have an assassination run.
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Post by auraco on Apr 24, 2019 19:03:24 GMT
Oh I know that, my main point about her running jacks is actually getting them there, she only has redline as far as jack spd buff, it doesn't matter if she casts incite for free if her jacks are still stuck with a miserable threat range of 8''.
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Post by Ganso on Apr 24, 2019 19:35:13 GMT
Question, how the hell do you not die when using Incite? A 4 Cost Spell that leaves Feora 9 inches from the Frontline
Seems way to risky and probably easy for the opponent to exploit.
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Post by auraco on Apr 24, 2019 19:46:05 GMT
Use fun carriages to get in the way? That's basically what has me excited in theory, might end up with a Durst situation where it's a plan that works better in theory than in practice, if it doesn't work, well I'll understand why people don't play her in menoth.
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Post by Ganso on Apr 24, 2019 20:06:40 GMT
I mean, even the Crusader can get to Juggy levels of damage output thanks to Sevvy_0 and Choir, and Protectorate has had access to that for a while now, with little noise coming from Feora_3.
So, /shrug I guess.
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