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Post by auraco on Apr 16, 2019 1:52:46 GMT
on the announcement video of this theme the devs did point out the example of vlad3 with a judicator. So i'm assuming jacks from the other faction can be used. That might just be the protectorate version of the list. I'm not sure we're going to simply be able to mix and match the jacks of both factions. The only thing that might be an exception to that are the character jacks with their bonded casters, because of the bond rule, but that's not even a give, that's an other point where I think we end up winning, all the character jacks of the mounted menoth casters are great, while Drago is... well Drago...
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Post by auraco on Apr 16, 2019 1:54:52 GMT
Now I am going to assume we get the choir. Not sure this works well without it.... But...... Lets not sell Vlad3 short. Lets put in a unit of Uhlans and a Unit of Vegners and then the solos that we can (including Markov to get sweet tactician). Dash gives our boys a pretty game alerting 14 inch threat range. Meanwhile the Judicator is dead center firing off those sweet Double HoF rocket pods. If your opponent doesn't close....well...sucks to be them. Then, when they DO commit off you go. Lots of options here to knock down stuff with the Uhlans, hit and sprint away, etc. etc. etc. Cycle HoF onto whichever one can do the most damage. Feels "fun" ;-) Except Vlad3 can already run something kinda similar to that and it's not just very good. Vlad3's kit is about dash and hand of fate, but I'm not convinced it's enough to actually be a good kit. If you have hand of fate on the judicator (assuming we can run the judicator in khador) it also means it's not on the outriders and outriders.
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Apr 16, 2019 2:01:02 GMT
Are we sure we can actually take the menoth jack with the theme if run in khador? I think the difference between us and menoth running it is basically the jack choice. Other than the judicator, the character jacks and maybe the devout I don't think we're missing out on too much tho. Feora3 could actually be interesting to run the decimator, maybe... And yeah I wish we could use Vlad2 in there instead of Vlad3, even with a mostly cavalry list I still think Vlad2's kit is better. Really looking forward to exactly what we can take, I think being able to play with our battle engine is going to be a big part of if this theme works or not. From the dev chat, we flat out know that casters will be able to take jacks from the other faction. Still, it’s CID so that could change. We also know you can mix and match cavalary from either faction. I am assuming, but we don’t know for fact, that our battle engines will all be allowed because they have the cavalry special rule (while Menoth’s do not). We know a few other things will be allowed in theme, but we won’t know until Wednesday. Choir would certainly be too good to be true... Shit, Feora 3, plus Juggernaut spam, adding Choir, for a load of 13 point POW 23 jacks? Whoa. Seems decent. Sand...I’m loving the idea of the devastator running hell bent for leather lighting things on fire...of course they don’t take damage until the next turn. Except of course for the things taking an auto hit POW 20 damage roll, or the swath of Tharn taking POW 11 blast damage rolls. That seems good. (It was good with Vlad 1, so should be good here too).
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Ganso
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Post by Ganso on Apr 16, 2019 2:05:19 GMT
Only reason I want to play this list is so that I can model the Flame Bringers as Eliminators
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Post by sand20go on Apr 16, 2019 2:20:13 GMT
Now I am going to assume we get the choir. Not sure this works well without it.... But...... Lets not sell Vlad3 short. Lets put in a unit of Uhlans and a Unit of Vegners and then the solos that we can (including Markov to get sweet tactician). Dash gives our boys a pretty game alerting 14 inch threat range. Meanwhile the Judicator is dead center firing off those sweet Double HoF rocket pods. If your opponent doesn't close....well...sucks to be them. Then, when they DO commit off you go. Lots of options here to knock down stuff with the Uhlans, hit and sprint away, etc. etc. etc. Cycle HoF onto whichever one can do the most damage. Feels "fun" ;-) Except Vlad3 can already run something kinda similar to that and it's not just very good. Vlad3's kit is about dash and hand of fate, but I'm not convinced it's enough to actually be a good kit. If you have hand of fate on the judicator (assuming we can run the judicator in khador) it also means it's not on the outriders and outriders. Judicator with choir is far better than COnnie or Victor. And Hand of Fate can be hotswapped.
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Post by Havock on Apr 16, 2019 7:07:58 GMT
If you can bring F3 as a Khador caster, you can probably take Eliminators as your Merc slot.
Flame trail + acrobatics + run order = dumb.
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Post by leander on Apr 16, 2019 7:44:17 GMT
unless even merc slots also have to be cavalry model/units. the exception might be junior warcasters and warcaster attachments. bringing sorscha 0 and severius 0 might be too much though.
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Post by Havock on Apr 16, 2019 12:21:31 GMT
It's clearly stated that they have "some other things", I don't expect everything to be on a mount, just the vast majority aside from jacks.
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Post by michael on Apr 16, 2019 12:23:55 GMT
on the announcement video of this theme the devs did point out the example of vlad3 with a judicator. So i'm assuming jacks from the other faction can be used. That might just be the protectorate version of the list. I'm not sure we're going to simply be able to mix and match the jacks of both factions. The only thing that might be an exception to that are the character jacks with their bonded casters, because of the bond rule, but that's not even a give, that's an other point where I think we end up winning, all the character jacks of the mounted menoth casters are great, while Drago is... well Drago... R.I.P. Drago.
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Post by Ganso on Apr 16, 2019 16:33:32 GMT
That might just be the protectorate version of the list. I'm not sure we're going to simply be able to mix and match the jacks of both factions. The only thing that might be an exception to that are the character jacks with their bonded casters, because of the bond rule, but that's not even a give, that's an other point where I think we end up winning, all the character jacks of the mounted menoth casters are great, while Drago is... well Drago... R.I.P. Drago. Awwww How the Firetruck is Drago going to compare when he gets to compete with Menoth jacks as well now? All the while looking at the Judicator stealing his OG shtick
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Post by michael on Apr 17, 2019 1:39:55 GMT
Awwww How the Firetruck is Drago going to compare when he gets to compete with Menoth jacks as well now? All the while looking at the Judicator stealing his OG shtick Eh. Drago has been a paperweight for close to three years. We’re all used to it by now, at least.
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Post by Havock on Apr 17, 2019 3:41:52 GMT
Maybe he'll get a CID treatment along with Vlad3.
Not that there's a whole lot lost here, he's trash whatever jack stable you put him next to.
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Post by steeltitan on Apr 17, 2019 18:17:47 GMT
So with the cast now over, we know that Vlad 3 doesn't change BUT you can take Vlad 3 which will make the whole army Khador AND you can basically take everything you want (Khador and Menoth non-character jacks, cav, etc.) including the Judicator and Choir. Also, the Khador battle engines are also included.
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Post by sand20go on Apr 17, 2019 19:29:07 GMT
So with the cast now over, we know that Vlad 3 doesn't change BUT you can take Vlad 3 which will make the whole army Khador AND you can basically take everything you want (Khador and Menoth non-character jacks, cav, etc.) including the Judicator and Choir. Also, the Khador battle engines are also included. But no running a menoth caster as your second list. Khador generally is happy I think.
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Post by kovnikninehouse on Apr 17, 2019 20:31:27 GMT
The battle engines are in but do not count for points and the free options are lackluster
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