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Post by charlzheimer on Oct 16, 2019 8:57:32 GMT
Doesn't work unfortunately, Threads of Life specifies Living Warrior models. Ah, that's a shame. Not being a Facebook user I basically just go off what's posted here. I was half-considering the Dhunian Archons in WWFF if they could protect other Archons (particularly Voids), but seeing as that's off the table that does seem to basically relegate them to Thornfall lists. Taking two in Thornfall seems pretty reasonable, but doesn't really fix the issues with the regular Midas build. They seem a lot stronger in Trolls, where Champions are basically the perfect unit for them to support (easy to spread damage across a lot of models, then heal that damage as others die). It is a little disappointing for a model billed as the "ultimate" support model, but they're not flat out bad. Just niche. the model is clearly made with trollkin in mind. and minnions second.
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Post by Corrupted Bauer on Oct 16, 2019 17:41:02 GMT
the model is clearly made with trollkin in mind. and minnions second. It seems the pyg tanks and ledfoot &tredz also fall into that category of great for trolls, and maybe niche in minions but not horribly strong for us and designed for them
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Post by Azahul on Oct 16, 2019 22:52:06 GMT
I dunno, they're pretty self-sufficient. Funnily enough they definitely have synergy with the Primal Archon though EDIT: Thinking about it, Helga probably enables their kit a bit better than most Troll 'casters, honestly. Takes away the need for a second model to knock the enemy down as set-up.
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Post by charlzheimer on Oct 17, 2019 9:29:14 GMT
I dunno, they're pretty self-sufficient. Funnily enough they definitely have synergy with the Primal Archon though EDIT: Thinking about it, Helga probably enables their kit a bit better than most Troll 'casters, honestly. Takes away the need for a second model to knock the enemy down as set-up. referring to pyg tanks or the archon regarding to the helga thing.
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Post by mydnight on Oct 17, 2019 11:08:35 GMT
the model is clearly made with trollkin in mind. and minnions second. It seems the pyg tanks and ledfoot &tredz also fall into that category of great for trolls, and maybe niche in minions but not horribly strong for us and designed for them Jaga would like an arm18 warrior model to sac on feat. With a boost and S&P that is a lot of burst damage. Also S&P probably goes a long way on them. Also being warrior models, Maelok will like them. 2 primals + 2 pyg tanks + L&T and Dhunian Archon is some serious meat for Maelok.
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Post by Azahul on Oct 17, 2019 11:12:00 GMT
referring to pyg tanks or the archon regarding to the helga thing. The Tanks for Helga. Their guns can slam on her Feat turn because they become melee weapons, which allows them to trigger Trash on their own (and potentially to get to POW 14+4d6 shots). Jaga would like an arm18 warrior model to sac on feat. With a boost and S&P that is a lot of burst damage. Also S&P probably goes a long way on them. Also being warrior models, Maelok will like them. 2 primals + 2 pyg tanks + L&T and Dhunian Archon is some serious meat for Maelok. I agree that they're probably decent with the Gator Warlocks, but why a Dhunian Archon in there given that all the models will be Undead and thus can't be protected? Just for the healing?
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Post by charlzheimer on Oct 17, 2019 12:18:23 GMT
referring to pyg tanks or the archon regarding to the helga thing. The Tanks for Helga. Their guns can slam on her Feat turn because they become melee weapons, which allows them to trigger Trash on their own (and potentially to get to POW 14+4d6 shots). Jaga would like an arm18 warrior model to sac on feat. With a boost and S&P that is a lot of burst damage. Also S&P probably goes a long way on them. Also being warrior models, Maelok will like them. 2 primals + 2 pyg tanks + L&T and Dhunian Archon is some serious meat for Maelok. I agree that they're probably decent with the Gator Warlocks, but why a Dhunian Archon in there given that all the models will be Undead and thus can't be protected? Just for the healing? oh god. helga, valks, battleengine and pyg tanks. this could be funny.
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Post by Azahul on Oct 17, 2019 19:43:23 GMT
oh god. helga, valks, battleengine and pyg tanks. this could be funny. Don't forget Void Archons and River Raiders!
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Post by mydnight on Oct 17, 2019 20:56:59 GMT
Jaga would like an arm18 warrior model to sac on feat. With a boost and S&P that is a lot of burst damage. Also S&P probably goes a long way on them. Also being warrior models, Maelok will like them. 2 primals + 2 pyg tanks + L&T and Dhunian Archon is some serious meat for Maelok. I agree that they're probably decent with the Gator Warlocks, but why a Dhunian Archon in there given that all the models will be Undead and thus can't be protected? Just for the healing? My bad. Forgot about the living clause. On another note, Valkyries + Dhunian seem quite good as you get 1 immortal shield guard each turn. And if they die you heal the Archon.
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Post by Azahul on Oct 18, 2019 0:12:54 GMT
Yeah, I do think Thornfall Alliance lists will basically always include double Dhunian Archons and at least a couple of units of Valkyries. That's a lot of protection against small arms fire, which is a big deal for that theme.
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Post by charlzheimer on Oct 18, 2019 12:11:13 GMT
Yeah, I do think Thornfall Alliance lists will basically always include double Dhunian Archons and at least a couple of units of Valkyries. That's a lot of protection against small arms fire, which is a big deal for that theme. would you actually consider 3 units of valkyries?
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Post by Azahul on Oct 18, 2019 13:20:44 GMT
would you actually consider 3 units of valkyries? In Thornfall I like to try and hit a critical mass of bodies, which doesn't normally leave points for a third unit of Valkyries. They're a more tempting prospect in WWFF I think.
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Post by Corrupted Bauer on Oct 19, 2019 16:29:43 GMT
would you actually consider 3 units of valkyries? In Thornfall I like to try and hit a critical mass of bodies, which doesn't normally leave points for a third unit of Valkyries. They're a more tempting prospect in WWFF I think. Also depends a bit on the list. I’ve had quite a bit of success in helga with triple slaughter triple valk and dhunians will very nicely slot in there. A bit more elite but still a good mass of bodies Helga the Conquerer - WB: +29 - War Hog - PC: 14 - Road Hog - PC: 15 Dhunian Archon - PC: 0 Dhunian Archon - PC: 0 Farrow Slaughterhousers - Leader & 5 Grunts: 9 Farrow Slaughterhousers - Leader & 5 Grunts: 9 Farrow Slaughterhousers - Leader & 5 Grunts: 9 Farrow Valkyries - Leader & 2 Grunts: 8 Farrow Valkyries - Leader & 2 Grunts: 8 Farrow Valkyries - Leader & 2 Grunts: 8 Farrow Commandos - Leader & 5 Grunts: 9 Farrow Brigands - Leader & 9 Grunts: 15 - Farrow Brigand Warlord - PC: 0
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Post by misericord on Nov 6, 2019 8:50:43 GMT
It seems that you actually double dip the healing effect.
1 living model dies inside both Dhunian Archons CMD, you can double heal.
I am guessing that is legit? I cant think of a reason that is not legal.
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Post by shortcutbacon on Nov 6, 2019 9:28:44 GMT
It seems that you actually double dip the healing effect. 1 living model dies inside both Dhunian Archons CMD, you can double heal. I am guessing that is legit? I cant think of a reason that is not legal. Correct, both models would check to see if their ability trigger has occurred, friendly model dead = 1d3 heal. Both models would trigger their effect.
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