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Post by shadowsword751 on Mar 13, 2019 17:23:29 GMT
What are your thoughts on the three Masters Agathon, The Voice in the Darkness , Omodamos, The Black Gate , and Zaateroth, The Weaver of Shadows
Which are you most excited to play?
Personally I am looking at Agathon to be able to make the most of some of their rules, but also like the idea of Omodamos driving forward with a freight train of heavy infantry and Horrors.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Mar 13, 2019 18:05:34 GMT
I haven't been following the CID, any chance of a brief summary of what these guys do?
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Post by QuickWhaleman on Mar 13, 2019 20:42:08 GMT
Omodamos is a horror(beast/jack) themed caster. He is essence stat 6. His two important spells are Synergy and Locked Horns. Locked horns gives everything in his control unyielding and costs 2. His feat gives incorporeal and +2 speed to all his stuff starting in his control. His defensive stats are 14/18 He currently the considered the most powerful of the casters as he goes really well with summoning.
Zaateroth is a DEF skew shooty caster. She is essence stat 7. She is SPD 6 with a range 10 POW 14 reload 1 gun that gives her the souls of what it kills. She has the spells Black Spot, Grave Wind, Scything Touch and Shadow Gate. Her feat is her models while in her control get +2 DEF and when they are missed they can be placed completely within 3" unless it happened while the model was advancing. She is generally considered second best. She can run a def skew with some of the models. Her defensive stats are 15/16.
Agathon is just kind of there. They are a spell focused caster that has some interesting spells but because they want to summon every turn they struggle to actually use them. They are essence 9 with Curse of Shadows, Dark Fire, Hellbound, Hex Blast, Influence and Teleport. Hellbound is target self can't be charged or slammed and enemy models within 5" treat terrain as rough terrain. Their feat refills all health and essence of their battlegroup. This sounds strong since Infernals are supposed to be weak to attrition but in practice it doesn't usually do much. Cultists have no problem filling horrors and if the horrors are being attacked they are usually dead.
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Post by overmind on Mar 13, 2019 23:42:39 GMT
So far my interests lie with Big Mama Z (Zaateroth). I like her kit and her model concept is gorgeous.
Does seem like Omodamos might be overpowered at the moment though.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Mar 14, 2019 3:45:33 GMT
Thanks Whaleman. They sound interesting; mass incorporeal horrors with a speed buff sounds strong.
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Post by onijet01 on Mar 14, 2019 5:49:28 GMT
Agathon should be noted was already hit once with the nerf bat. He was responsible for a janky soul collection arc combow thhat gave him spells for days.
Modrls hit Cultasts dropping to fa 3 and point increase. A solo (forgot who) double dipping souls of destroyed and sacrificed models.
Arc node lesser needing change from (infernal master) to battlegroup controller.
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Post by whaleman on Mar 14, 2019 6:14:39 GMT
Yeah currently Omodamos has something like 60 battle reports to Agathons 7. Omodamos is just really straight forward and incredibly strong. +2 SPD, Incorporeal, Unyielding with Synergy heavies are gross. The beat stick heavy can be DEF 11 ARM 18(20 against melee). It has two initials at base pow 17 with mat 6 and four essence. So if you get Synergy running it can put charge for free and put out 6 (+chain attack smash and grab) pow 20 attacks at mat 9.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Mar 14, 2019 7:35:02 GMT
Are there two different Whalemen on this thread or did you just change your account?
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Post by sorokin on Mar 14, 2019 13:43:44 GMT
Are there two different Whalemen on this thread or did you just change your account? One of them is obviously quicker, which is why he posted first.
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Post by whaleman on Mar 14, 2019 20:26:38 GMT
I couldn't manage to log in so I posted as a guest. I think a major issue the Infernal masters who are not Omodamos face is that summoning is so good you have to do it every turn. This means that the Agathon is only ever playing with 5 essence and Zaateroth with 3. Since their kits are based around slinging spells or using their cool gun they never really get to do what they want without risking camping nothing.
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Post by boozy on Mar 15, 2019 0:53:34 GMT
Since the topic is Masters, it is a bit tangential but I don't see how the faction can work without Heart of Darkness, or something similar. Three options are not enough, even for a limited release faction. I get the complaints on HoD as presented, but unless there are at least two more masters hidden from us, the sepection pool is just too small.
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Post by Miafan on Mar 15, 2019 8:22:30 GMT
Since the topic is Masters, it is a bit tangential but I don't see how the faction can work without Heart of Darkness, or something similar. Three options are not enough, even for a limited release faction. I get the complaints on HoD as presented, but unless there are at least two more masters hidden from us, the sepection pool is just too small. I am dead sure it's just wave1. After they test mechanics to the point of relative acceptability, they will bring out the rest.
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Post by overmind on Mar 15, 2019 15:45:22 GMT
I'm actually pretty sure, at least for now, these are the only three we get. It looks like they want to use heart of darkness to fill out the roster.
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Post by Zaku on Mar 15, 2019 15:46:24 GMT
Since the topic is Masters, it is a bit tangential but I don't see how the faction can work without Heart of Darkness, or something similar. Three options are not enough, even for a limited release faction. I get the complaints on HoD as presented, but unless there are at least two more masters hidden from us, the sepection pool is just too small. I am dead sure it's just wave1. After they test mechanics to the point of relative acceptability, they will bring out the rest. Yeah, I believe the Oblivion CID will have more, as that is when they said we will see the Hearts of Darkness theme again... although likely in a much different form than we saw it originally.
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Post by Cuckoo on Mar 26, 2019 13:49:14 GMT
I'm actually pretty sure, at least for now, these are the only three we get. It looks like they want to use heart of darkness to fill out the roster. Was this confirmed? >> beginning to have serious second thoughts abut spending on this faction. One Infernal theme which seems quite rigid/cookie cutter with a lot of support bloat and then a theme with very little relation at all to infernals that is being used due to the make up for the variation in the faction... >> the Oblivion CID appears (form the CID wrap-up on you tube) to just be about all the other factions and Archons etc. So beginning to doubt there are any other models/masters coming and likely this very limited faction will remain that. >> also not keen on the idea that one has to buy lots of extra models for summoning and/or additional factions models - just seems like a bit of a money grab (the HoD theme) thought the second theme will likely change...
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