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Post by mydnight on Mar 6, 2019 21:36:54 GMT
So with the new infernals theme, Cygnar can play a blended force.
Imagine Styker3 with Valin (-5 range to shooting, no knockdown/stationary), Princess (wind wall), umbral guardian (fancy shield guards). Seems to solve his key problem. You can still bring 2 units of storm lances, 3 solos (which means squire, jr) and standard merc allowance.
Any other legit combos one can think of? Hiding a wretch (-2 to living models damage rolls within 5") behind an arcane shielded centurion seems hillarious.
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Post by cain on Mar 6, 2019 22:53:54 GMT
Seems like a horribel idea from PP. So the infernals could have one list with haley3 and one with say Sylvestro ?
As i said in another tread; giving infernals access to several spesific units/models would have been ok. Like the merc kingmaker theme. But access to warcasters from several other factions. Seeems like a nightmare to balance.
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Post by mydnight on Mar 6, 2019 23:28:06 GMT
I just hope they update before this weekend so they dont waste a whole week of playtesting....everyone's going to be focusing on Heart
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Post by onijet01 on Mar 7, 2019 7:24:11 GMT
conflictchamber.com/?cg201b_-1aeSiPiPiPonococ9K9LiP9K9LiPofInfernal Army - 74 / 75 points [Theme] Hearts of Darkness (Cygnar) (CID) !!! This army contains CID entries. !!! This list is using a CID theme. [Haley 3] Major Prime Victoria Haley [+25] - Hunter [10] - Hunter [10] - Hunter [10] Great Princess Regna Gravnoy [0(5)] - Lamenter [9] - Lamenter [9] Arcane Tempest Gun Mages [11] - Arcane Tempest Gun Mage Officer [0(4)] - Hunter [10] Arcane Tempest Gun Mages [11] - Arcane Tempest Gun Mage Officer [4] - Hunter [10] Cultist Band (min) [5] Adjust as needed. Def 16 to 18 indantry with pushes, recursion. Maybe drop a hunter to get thebno knockdown guy
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Post by cain on Mar 7, 2019 7:32:46 GMT
Mhh think i would like haley3 with trencher smokewall and storm lances. Bring back good vibes from mrk.2. Add 3 free cygnar solos and and more multiwound infantry models from infernals.
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Post by mydnight on Mar 7, 2019 9:41:12 GMT
Mhh think i would like haley3 with trencher smokewall and storm lances. Bring back good vibes from mrk.2. Add 3 free cygnar solos and and more multiwound infantry models from infernals. Arcane shielded 8 wound multi infantry yum yum
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Post by cain on Mar 7, 2019 10:06:56 GMT
Mhh think i would like haley3 with trencher smokewall and storm lances. Bring back good vibes from mrk.2. Add 3 free cygnar solos and and more multiwound infantry models from infernals. Arcane shielded 8 wound multi infantry yum yum
Yup. I always dreamed of a trencher ogrun heavy infantry unit, with 5/8 boxes and though. Maybe this is as close as we get.
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Post by cygnarstronk on Mar 7, 2019 10:36:19 GMT
As stupid as the idea is, it makes me netlist a lot. I still hope this theme gets deleted for the good of the game.
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Post by cygnarstronk on Mar 7, 2019 12:06:27 GMT
conflictchamber.com/?cg201b_-1afN9G9Hakaj9bosifokokikilouInfernal Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Hearts of Darkness (Cygnar) (CID) !!! This army contains CID entries. !!! This list is using a CID theme. [Maddox 1] Major Beth Maddox [+30] - Ironclad [12] - Stormclad [18] - Squire [0(5)] Journeyman Warcaster [0(4)] - Charger [9] Mordecai, Master of Arms [0(5)] Patrol Dog [2] Howlers (max) [15] Howlers (max) [15] Trencher Long Gunners (max) [18] - Trencher Long Gunner Officer [4] Infernal Gate [12] this pumps maddox to the top potential. She has recursion,super powerful shooting due to snipe cicle, arm 20 frontline with long charge range, army wide pathfinder, tactician and +1 to the starting roll plus a pseudo rebuke if needed. It's strong and durable, during feat turn it's surely going to take down heavy targets. If you want to be extra good against bricks swap mordecai for the hex blast dude, but Idon't know.
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Post by sorokin on Mar 7, 2019 16:00:27 GMT
On the one hand, it seems to be a huge balance concern, but also really fun to play with on the other hand, given that's it's kinda a competitive way to play out of theme, while still getting free cards for doing so.
That Maddox list looks actually really interesting, even though I don't know yet what Howlers do.
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Post by streetpizza on Mar 7, 2019 16:02:48 GMT
I'm thinking about one armor skew list and one ranged skew list. Funny thing is that Falk buffs the damage rolls for howlers with rune marked because they're magical melee weapons. conflictchamber.com/?cg201b_-1a7Cf6anonajiPjzosoqoqogokok___-1a8Vf59E9EakanjzosororopoioiigigInfernal Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Hearts of Darkness (Cygnar) (CID) !!! This army contains CID entries. !!! This list is using a CID theme. [Stryker 1] Commander Coleman Stryker [+30] - Hurricane [39] Captain Arlan Strangewayes [4] Great Princess Regna Gravnoy [0(5)] Journeyman Warcaster [4] - Hunter [10] Lieutenant Bastian Falk [0(5)] Mordecai, Master of Arms [5] The Wretch [3] The Wretch [3] Cultist Band (max) [7] Howlers (max) [15] Howlers (max) [15] Infernal Army - 72 / 75 points [Theme] Hearts of Darkness (Cygnar) (CID) !!! This army contains CID entries. !!! This list is using a CID theme. [Caine 1] Lieutenant Allister Caine [+30] - Ace [10] - Defender [16] - Defender [16] - Squire [0(5)] Captain Arlan Strangewayes [4] Lieutenant Bastian Falk [0(5)] Mordecai, Master of Arms [5] Umbral Guardian [0(6)] Umbral Guardian [6] Valin Hauke, The Fallen Knight [7] Griever Swarm (max) [14] Griever Swarm (max) [14] Trencher Express Team [5] Trencher Express Team [5] Both Stryker and Caine1 love having their upkeeps go out for free turn 1. I think Greiver swarms are really going to like shadow fire, dead eye, snipe and Falk's damage buff.
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Post by cygnarstronk on Mar 7, 2019 17:47:51 GMT
On the one hand, it seems to be a huge balance concern, but also really fun to play with on the other hand, given that's it's kinda a competitive way to play out of theme, while still getting free cards for doing so. That Maddox list looks actually really interesting, even though I don't know yet what Howlers do. Howlers are heavy multiwound infantry. 8 boxes, spd5 mat7 12/17 defense. Tough. They have vengeange, +2 charge range against living, berserk. weapon is magical P+S 13 grievous wounds. perfect for maddox.
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Post by sorokin on Mar 7, 2019 18:36:25 GMT
On the one hand, it seems to be a huge balance concern, but also really fun to play with on the other hand, given that's it's kinda a competitive way to play out of theme, while still getting free cards for doing so. That Maddox list looks actually really interesting, even though I don't know yet what Howlers do. Howlers are heavy multiwound infantry. 8 boxes, spd5 mat7 12/17 defense. Tough. They have vengeange, +2 charge range against living, berserk. weapon is magical P+S 13 grievous wounds. perfect for maddox. Yeah, they just went up on WU, thanks anyway. Under Falk and feat they go up to P+S 17, P+S 18 under Falk and Fury from either Stryker or Siege2, and Hauke makes them no-knockdown tough, while arcane shield or Dauntless Resolve makes them ARM 20.
Jakes2 in this theme would also interest me. Maxwell Finn and Howlers will just mulch infantry on feat turn, Sword Knights under postive charge will crack heavies, Trenchers could provide a cloudwall for your melee centric army, while also benefitting from Veteran Leader. Hauke turns everything except Sword Knights no-knockdown tough, Mordechai provides Tactician. In short, Jakes has all the toys she wants in one theme, which are otherwise spread around multiple themes in Cygnar.
Season with Runewood, Journeyman, Squire, Falk to taste.
Hauke would also be really good with Maddox, since Dauntless Resolve + Brother's Keeper turns any unit of your choice no-knockdown tough + 3ARM + Recursion from Infernal Gate. He cant be taken for free though so he might be hard to fit in points wise.
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Post by sorokin on Mar 7, 2019 18:45:52 GMT
Also, petition to call a "Cyg"nar centric Infer"nal" army "Cygnal" going forward.
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Post by mydnight on Mar 7, 2019 21:26:58 GMT
Also, petition to call a "Cyg"nar centric Infer"nal" army "Cygnal" going forward. You win the thread sir!
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