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Post by badnappy on Feb 26, 2019 2:57:02 GMT
Need some opinions. I'm playing Gore4 im legions paired with Kaelyssa in Defenders. My Gore4 list is usual double sents and I like full destors as well. I have tried Imperatus with a chimera a few times and I know how good Impy can be yet in most of my games the warriors have done the work and he has really only added a shot here or there. A single arc node has been used more and I would like to add a second heavy so was thinking to swap to double phoenix which gives both more heavies and more arc nodes. I can build to impy and a Phoenix but then still only single arc. Is Imperatus worth the inclusion ?
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Post by onijet01 on Feb 26, 2019 4:36:18 GMT
Thats a highly subjective question.
Meta Answer: yes
Personal Answer: F'No Imperitous is a great warjack, but currently has glaring flaws in the current mete.
Flaws:
Phoenix Protocols negation. There is enough "No Healing" abikities to take this ability off the table for matchups that the Legion of Dawn lists go into.
Loss of Bonded free Charge. Lets face it this is the major difrence between taking out the second heavy or colossal on its own.
A Phoenix would be better for you as...
It hits just as hard (if at one less attack).
Can be just as durable thanks to "Phenix Feild's" auto sheild regen.
Can auto hit models. (Hate playing against this ability).
And is another arc node.
More importantly you can combo a arced debuff and then clean up with Phoenix which you can not as easily Imperitous.
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llama
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Post by llama on Feb 26, 2019 7:35:11 GMT
So full disclaimer, I haven't played the Gore4 list since returning to Ret.
In my opinion I think the extra 3 points for Impy is well spent because I think he is better at holding zones, and I think that side step tends to keep an opponent on their toes for the extended threat range.
For me personally, my group that I play with has at least three players that frequent Protectorate or Crucible Guard, so combustion (on the Phoenix) loses some value against fire immune models for me.
On the other side of the coin Phoenix tends to be a lot more reliable as an arcnode than the Chimera, and has way more offensive options in comparison, and the auto hitting pow 12 aoe combo with -2 armor sounds very awesome.
Random thought but if you could free up one point it may be worth replacing Impy with a Sphinx and another Chimera for the +3 RNG on spells, while still having two arcnodes and having more coverage for arcane vortex.
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farau
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Post by farau on Feb 26, 2019 11:38:31 GMT
Why not just scip Impy and run Harpys?
I usually play duel sents with G4 together with 3 Harpys and a Chimera.
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Post by apoc2148 on Feb 26, 2019 12:24:56 GMT
Pros of Imperatus: Still has the phoenix field ability of Phoenix jack. Base Mat 8, rat 6, side step on two 2" melee attacks. Potentially highest hp for all ret heavy jacks.
Cons: Highest costing Ret jack. Kinda lackluster gun. Grievous wounds affects not only the Phoenix field regen, but Phoenix Protocol as well, so he gets double slapped when it is applied. Requires another jack for an arc node.
Imperatus is a good melee beater, with a better damage output and overall threat range than the Phoenix.
The Phoenix is a more utility jack with its access to an arc node, aoe gun, self-unjamming combust attack and an open fist for power attacks.
So it can really come down to what you need in your list. Do you need a jack that will have a higher damage output and threat longer? Choose Imperatus. If you need a second arc node that just happens to be on a heavy, choose the Phoenix.
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Post by badnappy on Feb 26, 2019 12:54:33 GMT
Thanks all, played again tonight with the double phoenix option and think that is probably better as grievous wound was everywhere (makeda 3). I did consider all the harpies option but still like the hitting power of a heavy when required. Further testing will ensue.
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Post by deathbymelancholy on Mar 6, 2019 19:35:14 GMT
Who are you playing this with? I just ran into the same wall with an Elara2 LoD list I'm messing around with. I can get A LOT of utility out of the double Phoenix instead of my previous Imp/Pho load out. But man, it almost seems sacrilegious.
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Post by badnappy on Mar 7, 2019 1:49:27 GMT
I have a had a number of games with double phoenix now and I am more convinced it is the right choice. The warriors do the work and the jacks just mop things up. Having more arc nodes has been useful more so than a single beatstick even a very good one. Also an extra gun allows more utility. I am facing mostly skorne, menoth and cygnar,small meta, but double phoenix is in for me now, sacrilege or not.
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Post by deathbymelancholy on Mar 7, 2019 14:47:26 GMT
I'm going to try to get at least a couple games in this weekend but I feel like I'll be coming over to that same boat.
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sorokin
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Post by sorokin on Mar 7, 2019 15:51:52 GMT
Can somebody enlighten a newbie why double Phönixes would be considered sacrilege?  |
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Post by deathbymelancholy on Mar 7, 2019 17:42:19 GMT
Because its not Imperatus and Imperatus in his prime form is god. Unfortunately his prime form is no more.
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sorokin
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Post by sorokin on Mar 7, 2019 18:42:49 GMT
Because its not Imperatus and Imperatus in his prime form is god. Unfortunately his prime form is no more. I see. Well I live by the motto "One sin a day" anyway.  |
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