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Post by sand20go on Feb 9, 2019 16:53:17 GMT
Which caster benefits the most?
I am going with Strakov1. Sorscha extends by +2 inches whatever is the most critical piece for the overrun assassination run and Guidance allows you either ignore stealth (good) or cloud walls (better) when you make that.
Then the question is whether to play him in Jaws (free stuff) or Wolves (threat extension on Doomies _AND_ getting all the upkeeps out for free to allow him to run up the board top of 1.
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Post by onijet01 on Feb 9, 2019 17:50:10 GMT
Which caster benefits the most? I am going with Strakov1. Sorscha extends by +2 inches whatever is the most critical piece for the overrun assassination run and Guidance allows you either ignore stealth (good) or cloud walls (better) when you make that. Then the question is whether to play him in Jaws (free stuff) or Wolves (threat extension on Doomies _AND_ getting all the upkeeps out for free to allow him to run up the board top of 1. Butcher 1. As he was simply missing a threat extension spell. He also can make great use of fog of war on approach and protect scorchea 0 being larger base than her. A free fury or iorn flesh allows the maniac to dig in deeper to opponents and place out far more work. Old witch 1 can make great use of both as an eyeless sight scrap jack under avitar of slaughter and its bond with boundless charge places it at a potential threat range of 19 inches. (Apperition 2+ Spd 6+ as2+ bond2+ bc2+ reach2= 19) only to be bounced back by unseen path after the old witch activates.
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Post by hamicron on Feb 9, 2019 18:11:52 GMT
Vlad 3. Especially in Jaws. With Malakov in the list as well under the feat you can send two jacks to get the alpha and bounce back. V3 has always been ridiculously focused strapped so free charges and a free upkeep are an enormous help. And S0 and the adjunct just help push his personal threat into the really dangerous range.
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Feb 9, 2019 20:07:47 GMT
For Sorscha 0, it’s a tough call since so many benefit so much.
Butcher 3 might be the winner. His personal threat has always been a key him, and if you lose the dogs you’re not SOL. He already likes both themes. He wants a jack package and here the +2” and ability to take Juggernauts and Marauders who don’t care about terrain seems like a pretty big deal. The difference between 10 and 12” is also a big deal, I think bigger than the Strakhov tilt.
My honorable mention goes to Karchev, because 13” outthreats most heavies and colossals, Karchev now can get the alpha which seems.... big.
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Post by hocestbellum on Feb 10, 2019 18:10:14 GMT
For the Escort, I am particularly keen to give him a spin with Sorscha1. She's been best buddies with Sylys for a long time, and having an in-faction option means she can take a different merc to cover other areas. +2 RNG on a Freezing Grip is great, as is the ability to keep fog of war up perpetually whilst also ignoring the def bonus it gives your enemies. Shame you lose out on Arcane Secrets, but I think the pros outweigh the cons.
Sorscha0 is a tricky one. I think it will mostly boil down to casters that have really high melee damage; the Butchers and Karchev
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Feb 10, 2019 18:18:55 GMT
I’ve used the Escort with Sorscha 1 and Eyeless Sight is a nifty addition on her feat turn too, Fog of War or no.
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Post by vlad on Feb 11, 2019 0:18:59 GMT
I think Butcher3 in WGK benefits a lot from Sorscha0, as he and his jacks like Boundless Charge a lot, Fog of War improves his game against shooting even more, and it’s also great when his Sacrificial Pawn targets are Tough with No Sleeping on the Job.
The Greylord Adjunct helps just about every caster, as most of them like having a cloud to hide behind / in, while those that play a Collosal will like him even more. Butcher3 likes his War Dog, but a Argus with a cloud on it blocking LoS to a key model may force the opponent to trigger Vengeance more often then they like. I would personally not consider the Adjunct only with Zerkova2, where I prefer Sylys for the Hand of Fate effect on the assasination run.
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Post by mrtuna on Feb 11, 2019 1:06:12 GMT
OW2 likes adjunct a lot. Eyeless sight stops a big hole she had.
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Post by jonnyboy on Feb 11, 2019 1:09:20 GMT
Gosh, im not sure there is a winner, unless you consider khador a winner. These two open so much for our faction. E already had a great stable of casters and now it's just gotten better.
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Post by vlad on Feb 11, 2019 1:46:53 GMT
OW2 likes adjunct a lot. Eyeless sight stops a big hole she had. I think he’s great for her in WGK, but in the other themes it’s always going to be a close call with Reinhold doing so much for her as well.
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Post by tjhairball on Feb 11, 2019 4:53:47 GMT
Which caster benefits the most? I am going with Strakov1. Sorscha extends by +2 inches whatever is the most critical piece for the overrun assassination run and Guidance allows you either ignore stealth (good) or cloud walls (better) when you make that. Then the question is whether to play him in Jaws (free stuff) or Wolves (threat extension on Doomies _AND_ getting all the upkeeps out for free to allow him to run up the board top of 1. Butcher 1. As he was simply missing a threat extension spell. He also can make great use of fog of war on approach and protect scorchea 0 being larger base than her. A free fury or iorn flesh allows the maniac to dig in deeper to opponents and place out far more work. Old witch 1 can make great use of both as an eyeless sight scrap jack under avitar of slaughter and its bond with boundless charge places it at a potential threat range of 19 inches. (Apperition 2+ Spd 6+ as2+ bond2+ bc2+ reach2= 19) only to be bounced back by unseen path after the old witch activates. I'm definitely excited about Old Witch 1 for both, but adjunct more than Sorscha0.
Adjunct:
- Blizzard on Old Witch (Prowl). Blizzard on Scrapjack (Prowl).
- Guidance on Old Witch (otherwise does not ignore stealth). Guidance on Scrapjack (Arc Node, crazy threat range. Zerkova1 could do similarly funny things, I guess.)
- Spiritual Conduit is just plain good, she has one of the better offensive spells. (Zerkova1 gets more, since this stacks with Lens of Tarvodh.)
- Upkeep another one of her 4(!) upkeeps for free. None of our other warcasters relies on upkeeps as much.
Sorscha0:
- Boundless Charge stacks threat range with Apparition. This isn't special, but it is good.
- Fog of War triggers Prowl.
- Downside: Sorscha0's warjack does not get Apparition.
The Adjunct is pretty much automatically worthwhile with Old Witch.
With Sorscha0, the opportunity cost of pulling a warjack out of battlegroup is a tricky one. Any warcaster with either Boundless Charge or a battlegroup ability / spell is a hard sell; the ones with Boundless Charge aren't getting anything much new, and the ones with battlegroup abilities / spells are paying a significant opportunity cost.
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Post by borderprince on Feb 11, 2019 5:53:21 GMT
Sorscha0:
- Boundless Charge stacks threat range with Apparition. This isn't special, but it is good.
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Any warcaster with either Boundless Charge or a battlegroup ability / spell is a hard sell; the ones with Boundless Charge aren't getting anything much new.
I'd quibble/differ on emphasis on a couple of these points. Boundless Charge is a great help to OW1's battlegroup not so much for the threat extension (although it's nice), but because it also operates more or less as a damage buff - the jacks can get an extra attack by not needing to pay focus to charge. Given OW1 really struggles into higher ARM lists, being able to get an extra attack out of a Juggernaut or the like can be really useful.
As for Boundless Charge casters not getting anything new, that's not quite so clear cut. Some Boundless Charge casters struggle to have the Focus to cast the spell. Vlad1 springs to mind - once he's cast S&P he's already starting to run low on Focus, and you probably want to allocate one or two Focus at that point too. But Boundless Charge on a couple of jacks can really make his Feat sing - you're up to 13" threat range on standard 1" melee jacks, which seems to be about the tipping point to getting a reliable alpha.
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Post by hocestbellum on Feb 11, 2019 11:24:15 GMT
Vlad 3. Especially in Jaws. With Malakov in the list as well under the feat you can send two jacks to get the alpha and bounce back. V3 has always been ridiculously focused strapped so free charges and a free upkeep are an enormous help. And S0 and the adjunct just help push his personal threat into the really dangerous range. This is a really interesting take on it. I'd never noticed that Charge of the Horse Lords was not battlegroup restricted. I wonder if he'd be better off in WGK than Jaws: HoF works well with Winterguard with Rockets, they love Parry so they can back up and shoot, you still get Malakov and Sorscha, and the theme benefits are pretty much flat out better. Plus you get more jamming bodies to protect your jacks when they sprint away. EDIT: Oh, and welcome to the forum!
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Post by P'tit Nico on Feb 11, 2019 12:33:19 GMT
which caster wins the most from escort and Sorscha Zero It's not the Escort, it is the Greylord Adjunct. The Greylord Escort is the Doom Reaver Swordsmen Command Attachment.
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Post by snoozer on Feb 11, 2019 14:07:41 GMT
Do you guys hae some lists? What Jack do you run on Sorcha0?
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