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Post by dogganmguest on Feb 7, 2019 0:08:49 GMT
You can't redirect an assault shot to another target, assault states it must target the model charged; if the original target dies to another shot, you lose the assault shot completely.
The spears can make gunfighter shots as their charge attack, but the damage roll isn't boosted.
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Post by dirtyharrypotter on Feb 7, 2019 7:37:18 GMT
Ah thx for explaining, I wasn't sure anymore.
You loose the boost but gain the pincushion effect (basically +2/+2) and of course the feat attack.
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Post by apoc2148 on Feb 7, 2019 13:10:43 GMT
davycannonhound and dirtyharrypotterOh, I see now. So they do their assault charge shot, end in melee, do another non-boosted ranged attack against the charge target, then huck another spear as the feat shot. Interesting. You gain an additional ranged attack at the expense of one boosted damage roll. 18 ranged attacks from one 6 man unit, could definitely do some damage. All you have to do is ensure they stay within Lyly2's tiny control range for the free shot. Could expose her to retaliation, but with the list above and 36 shots coming from the two units, there shouldn't be much left to retaliate, hopefully.
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Post by dirtyharrypotter on Feb 7, 2019 13:55:14 GMT
Expecting to keep 2 units in ctrl whilst in melee as well doesn't seem very reasonable. Unless they pound away on the same target? But what are you expecting to face that will withstand those 18 shots?
On another note, do you want the BB? The str buff is welcome because you only get one pincushion, and it does like the extra shots, but I can imagine you want something that makes better use of the armourbuff.
Maybe 2 units without BB, 1 unit with BB and focus more on melee for the rest of the BB list?
BB, 1 Full spears, 1 full chosen, 31pt for whatever. Probably boltthrower, full mongers, min vulture, free gorag, free chief, free hellmouth/ammok
Looks kinda fun tbh
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Post by davycannonhound on Feb 7, 2019 23:56:25 GMT
Expecting to keep 2 units in ctrl whilst in melee as well doesn't seem very reasonable. Unless they pound away on the same target? But what are you expecting to face that will withstand those 18 shots? On another note, do you want the BB? The str buff is welcome because you only get one pincushion, and it does like the extra shots, but I can imagine you want something that makes better use of the armourbuff. Maybe 2 units without BB, 1 unit with BB and focus more on melee for the rest of the BB list? BB, 1 Full spears, 1 full chosen, 31pt for whatever. Probably boltthrower, full mongers, min vulture, free gorag, free chief, free hellmouth/ammok Looks kinda fun tbh I really would only bring the BB with a melee-heavy list. Honestly, with Lyllyth2, I wouldn't bring anything that doesn't have a gun with Lyllyth2 (chosen, mongers, rotwings). Extra shot on the BB is nice, but I'd like to have a bit more flexibility with Lyllyth's battlegroup (also more beasts gives me more mileage with Soothing Song, as well). The list you've mentioned should not be played with Lyllyth2 at all, that more of an Anamag or Thags1 list.
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Post by dogganmguest on Feb 8, 2019 0:45:52 GMT
That's right, never mind what you think looks fun, you must only play things in The Approved Way™
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Post by dirtyharrypotter on Feb 8, 2019 8:33:47 GMT
Neither of those warlocks enable warspears the way Lily2 does though. BB pushes them even further, that S-bonus up their ranged damage as well (in case you missed that).
You could go all-shooty with her, but I don't like highly onedimensional lists and it will give you problems with your positioning, considering her small ctrl bubble. You want something to bully your opponent and I think chosen or warmongers under a BB aura do well.
I think this Lily2 melee list is better able to deliver the warspears then a full shooty list ever will and is pretty flexible. That's a tradeoff for underutilizing her feat, but since pincushion only effects one target a turn I think that's fair. She will support the spears really well throughout the game, turn them up to eleven with the feat, and BB will help everyone. And since you get that extra shot you have more aura coverage for a turn, which this list also likes.
It may not be the standard list you'd expect with a feat like this, but to be honest I'm convinced the standard list will run into all kinds of issues and she does in fact not support it that well outside the feat turn.
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Post by davycannonhound on Feb 8, 2019 21:26:33 GMT
Neither of those warlocks enable warspears the way Lily2 does though. BB pushes them even further, that S-bonus up their ranged damage as well (in case you missed that). You could go all-shooty with her, but I don't like highly onedimensional lists and it will give you problems with your positioning, considering her small ctrl bubble. You want something to bully your opponent and I think chosen or warmongers under a BB aura do well. I think this Lily2 melee list is better able to deliver the warspears then a full shooty list ever will and is pretty flexible. That's a tradeoff for underutilizing her feat, but since pincushion only effects one target a turn I think that's fair. She will support the spears really well throughout the game, turn them up to eleven with the feat, and BB will help everyone. And since you get that extra shot you have more aura coverage for a turn, which this list also likes. It may not be the standard list you'd expect with a feat like this, but to be honest I'm convinced the standard list will run into all kinds of issues and she does in fact not support it that well outside the feat turn. While I do more or less agree, its important to note a couple of things about Pin Cushion: Pin Cushion is an upkeep. If you can get it out early enough in the game through a Spell Martyr, you can techincally pin cushion two targets a turn, if you upkeep on the second. More importantly, Pin Cushion affects the target model/unit. Doesn't change much (or really anything at all) about your overall thought process, but it is something to consider.
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