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Post by Gamingdevil on Jan 29, 2019 7:48:11 GMT
I had this exact conversation in a private chat last night. I don't actually play Trollbloods, but as a Cryx player, I must say, I used to not worry about Trollbloods at all. I still don't fear them, but I do respect them. You have a bunch of solid casters, but I feel like so much of the faction is still unexplored. Someone won the Dutch Masters with a Kriel Company list 2 years ago and most of the community just went "yeah, but it's this guy that can make anything work". 2 weeks ago, I lost the final of a 24 player event against Trollbloods. Sure, it was against the best player in the country, but Trollbloods can kick some serious ass if played right.
I couldn't agree more with the people above me: the Trollblood players are stagnating while the meta is evolving, start thinking outside the box and look for answers.
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Post by allinontrolls on Jan 29, 2019 8:28:23 GMT
I will write a more detailed report on my games in a different thread later on. In general one big problem for trolls is the amount of hate we are facing. Gw is around everywhere. For a faction which is build around tough that is a real problem. The easiest way would be to play a beast list two problems are that pod really sucks and that the meta does not really have problems killing beasts.
That leaves us at kriel company which is nothing trolls are famous or well known for.
But on the bright sight. Bears and fireeaters are amazing while champs fall out on the meta in my opinion.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Jan 29, 2019 8:50:12 GMT
I will write a more detailed report on my games in a different thread later on. In general one big problem for trolls is the amount of hate we are facing. Gw is around everywhere. For a faction which is build around tough that is a real problem. The easiest way would be to play a beast list two problems are that pod really sucks and that the meta does not really have problems killing beasts. That leaves us at kriel company which is nothing trolls are famous or well known for. Battle Engines? Both are allowed in KC and both are quite good, especially when you add Mortality into the mix and suddenly all the Tharn are melting.
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bundeez
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Post by bundeez on Jan 29, 2019 13:34:59 GMT
*snip*In general one big problem for trolls is the amount of hate we are facing. Gw is around everywhere. For a faction which is build around tough that is a real problem.*snip* I agree about this. It feels like Trollbloods pay extra for tough which is unpredictable and often ignored. Maybe a buff to the faction that no Trollblood model can be GW'ed would make sense? That + make the krielstone unit a free option in themes is on my wishlist
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Post by Gamingdevil on Jan 29, 2019 13:55:42 GMT
*snip*In general one big problem for trolls is the amount of hate we are facing. Gw is around everywhere. For a faction which is build around tough that is a real problem.*snip* I agree about this. It feels like Trollbloods pay extra for tough which is unpredictable and often ignored. Maybe a buff to the faction that no Trollblood model can be GW'ed would make sense? That + make the krielstone unit a free option in themes is on my wishlist I wouldn't count on them making a variable sized unit free in any themes. Maybe the minimum unit, but that would get messy in wording. I can see something like "Effects that stop the removal of damage have no effect on Friendly Faction Models." being a theme benefit, but I think the chance of it applying to the whole faction is close to 0. The theme benefit would replace another "always-on" benefit such as Takedown in BoH though.
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mazog
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Post by mazog on Jan 29, 2019 14:02:17 GMT
I agree about this. It feels like Trollbloods pay extra for tough which is unpredictable and often ignored. Maybe a buff to the faction that no Trollblood model can be GW'ed would make sense? That + make the krielstone unit a free option in themes is on my wishlist I wouldn't count on them making a variable sized unit free on any themes. Maybe the minimum unit, but that would get messy in wording. I can see something like "Effects that stop the removal of damage have no effect on Friendly Faction Models." being a theme benefit, but I think the chance of it applying to the whole faction is close to 0. The theme benefit would replace another "always-on" benefit such as Takedown in BoH though. It would be a lot better benefit than serenity on the Dhunian knot and that might just be the current theme that would benefit the most. No, it doesn't help (much) with Tough, but it does make our beasts vitality unmistakeable, even if it would be irrelevant in many matchups. I never understood why our PoD benefit made the big angry trolls less angry...
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Post by Gamingdevil on Jan 29, 2019 14:04:05 GMT
I never understood why our PoD benefit made the big angry trolls less angry... The Dhunian Knot whisper comforting words to the troll, which reminds it of its mother. If that doesn't work, they give it a goat to eat...
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bundeez
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Post by bundeez on Jan 29, 2019 15:40:02 GMT
No free krielstone unit because it's difficult to put in the description? Come on man... Just make it free, min or max your choice. It's still nothing compared to other factions, since our other 2 cards are also just support most of the time; Runebearer, whelps, UA or Fell Caller which can't reach more than 19 points. Atm we "only" have 12-15 free stuff. It's not 2 badass wolf riders and LotF, it's just support How about 4+ on all Trollbloods instead, is that better?
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Post by Gamingdevil on Jan 30, 2019 7:15:06 GMT
No free krielstone unit because it's difficult to put in the description? Come on man... Yes? This game is complex enough already. I can't think of a single instance where free stuff is a variably sized unit. Even making a Dragoon free is a stretch and I believe there is exactly 1 in the game. Besides 9 points would be a new record for amount of free points. I assume you would want the Elder included? How about 4+ on all Trollbloods instead, is that better? As an army wide rule or a theme force benefit? The first one, no, that's not better. The second I could maybe see happening, but don't expect the models in the theme to be very good, i.e. no knockdown immunity in the theme like Champions, Madrak 1, etc. On a solo? Maybe.
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Post by Trollock on Jan 30, 2019 11:14:03 GMT
Can we please not decend in to the toilet that is wish listing? XD
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jarrow
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Post by jarrow on Jan 30, 2019 11:54:30 GMT
Back to original question from birthday wishes!
TOP listpair now that we have to answer: Tharn+Bones Mostly Iona as she is new hot paired with Krueger2 on bones. Tharn list have high def, lowish arm medium infatry (mortality is really nasty against rapid healing). Powerfull shooting is quite good. Bones list on the other hand have few model count so few attacks and tend to play assassination/scenario. This list pair should be playable for us, as our infantry have good MAT and our casters are quite hard to kill.
Skorne: Animantrax+Immortals Makeda3 beast brick and Xerxis 2 seems most popular casters for animatraxis and Immortals can be quite many casters. Agains immortals fennblades would be good choise thanks to BoH takedown, but I think they struggle against beast brick. Madrak2 would do the job. Jarl could snipe extoller CA:s from immortals and makes them life harder?
Menoth: H-Reclaimer (judicators)+Harbinger (Exemplar or Idrian/paladin) I think this is hardest for us as Judicator will outshoot us thanks to choir and then Cinerators will stay on our face. Mortality would be again good against Harbingers, and at least Grim2 will keep H-Reclaimer on his toes.
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Post by Trollock on Jan 30, 2019 15:10:44 GMT
As a circle player i would not love to play against a fast BoH list with Eilish.
Fennblades/longriders that ignore tough crap all over tharn AND wolds. Eilish can remove the Rebuke that Krueger will try to use to control the list.
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Post by streetpizza on Jan 30, 2019 16:21:57 GMT
As a circle player i would not love to play against a fast BoH list with Eilish. Fennblades/longriders that ignore tough crap all over tharn AND wolds. Eilish can remove the Rebuke that Krueger will try to use to control the list. tack on a min unit of warders make LotF wonder exactly where he'll be landing and you're golden.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Jan 30, 2019 19:40:24 GMT
As a circle player i would not love to play against a fast BoH list with Eilish. Fennblades/longriders that ignore tough crap all over tharn AND wolds. Eilish can remove the Rebuke that Krueger will try to use to control the list. Borka 1?
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Post by Trollock on Jan 30, 2019 19:51:59 GMT
As a circle player i would not love to play against a fast BoH list with Eilish. Fennblades/longriders that ignore tough crap all over tharn AND wolds. Eilish can remove the Rebuke that Krueger will try to use to control the list. Borka 1? I think you can use the caster to"counter" other things in the meta, so if you find that he solves something for you, go ahead!
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