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Post by Trollock on Jan 23, 2019 17:36:00 GMT
I am playing mulg + mk. I am not really fearing Mortality. Doomy3 asks the opponent if he is able to one round an mk which is kind of spell immune. If yes I play my second list or if scenario is an issue. The main problem vs tharn should be the lord who could easy kill the stone or my caster. Fair enough. Mulg is standing next to the MK. Is there ANY scenario you can play then? Havent played trolls in SR2018 basically, but it looks very tough on paper at least
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Post by allinontrolls on Jan 23, 2019 19:37:40 GMT
Not played that list that much. In theory it should work if you keep an eye on scenario. In my opinion it really depends if your opponent is capable of one rounding the mk.if not you have enough scenario presence. But their will be matchups u won't like to face. Their it's time for the frost lady aka kolgrima.
Will u keep updated after the weekend.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Jan 23, 2019 22:36:58 GMT
I am playing mulg + mk. I am not really fearing Mortality. Doomy3 asks the opponent if he is able to one round an mk which is kind of spell immune. If yes I play my second list or if scenario is an issue. The main problem vs tharn should be the lord who could easy kill the stone or my caster. Longchops can snipe out solos pretty well and his Trapper template really annoys lightly armored infantry.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Jan 23, 2019 22:38:29 GMT
I am playing mulg + mk. I am not really fearing Mortality. Doomy3 asks the opponent if he is able to one round an mk which is kind of spell immune. If yes I play my second list or if scenario is an issue. The main problem vs tharn should be the lord who could easy kill the stone or my caster. Fair enough. Mulg is standing next to the MK. Is there ANY scenario you can play then? :D Havent played trolls in SR2018 basically, but it looks very tough on paper at least :o You have to double up on Whelps to even try. I also considered the Bokur & Bog Trog Shamblers, just for sheer bodies per point.
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Post by allinontrolls on Jan 24, 2019 6:02:23 GMT
In my opinion we have to accept that their will be scenarios that will be hard to play. Invasion will be the hardest one. I do not think that a unit will help that much if the opponent is playing for scenario. On the other hand their are not so many control casters anymore. No haley... who just blitz u out of the scenario.
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Post by jarrow on Jan 28, 2019 6:09:03 GMT
According to Jay Larsen, trolls went 8/20. Were we so outdated?
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Post by bundeez on Jan 28, 2019 6:20:25 GMT
It would seem so. The CID prophesy aka powercreep is real.
plus some of the troll lists didn't seem very competetive..
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Post by Trollock on Jan 28, 2019 6:45:44 GMT
According to Jay Larsen, trolls went 8/20. Were we so outdated? Do you mean 8 wins in 20 games (aka 8-12) or 8 wins and 20 losses?
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Jan 28, 2019 7:42:47 GMT
It would seem so. The CID prophesy aka powercreep is real. plus some of the troll lists didn't seem very competetive.. That and several of the top players who were playing Trolls switched to various other factions.
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Post by snot on Jan 28, 2019 8:00:28 GMT
If u have no tech vs skorne/circle aka *thenewshit* you have a tough time. Its like teching against harbi in mk2. I do not think tb are in a bad spot, but lists have to change. You still need something vs strong shooty and in addition antiheal/recursion... Or you give a damn a play doomy2 like a boss
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Post by bundeez on Jan 28, 2019 15:44:10 GMT
Which Trollbloods don't currently have? "lists have to change": Yeah sure, but into what? With no new release in over a year now, it's difficult to adapt to the meta Maybe allinontrolls can elaborate how his games went
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Jan 28, 2019 17:07:48 GMT
I don't understand why Gunny doesn't see more play in team tournaments. You know that people will play Sloan and Gearhart, and he shuts them down more completely than Kolgrima or Borka 2. Add Khador colossals to that list as soon as the Greylord Adjunct is released, and Ret is on the rise; they have Phantom Hunter shots. You don't even have to tool him only to beat gun lines because he can run his own at the same time. You can put him in Kriel Company and pair him with Madrak 1 or 2 in Band and then you're also the guy to stop dudespam. Either Madrak can easily be built to crack armor as well. My view of how to build for the meta in general right now is that the first list is still Madrak 1 because he can deliver Bears & Champs into Makeda or Tharn and the second is Kolgrima, Borka 2, or Gunny, as you prefer for your event. Gunny has board control and Guided Fire that are both golden against Tharn. Snipe makes Sluggers serious. Raiders are a real melee unit, or you can run Scattergunners if you just want pure saturation of attacks. If need be, the Raiders can use Snipe on turn 2 to aim shots or charge, Quick Work, and lob potshots at backline support while the Sluggers run into the position they can hold. Lookouts can potentially kill Lord of the Feast. It's not a sure thing by any means, but this paired with gdnerd Madrak 1 list is what I plan to play at a local tourney in a couple weeks if I go: conflictchamber.com/?c7201b_-0D020riWjqfI6G0l0mj5i_09Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Kriel Company [Gunnbjorn 1] Captain Gunnbjorn [+28] - Dire Troll Bomber [19] - Sea King [36] (MK actually, I still don't have the SK) - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Bog Trog Mist Speaker [4] Fell Caller Hero [0(5)] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Stone Scribe Elder [3] Northkin Raiders (max) [15] Pyg Lookouts (min) [7] Trollkin Sluggers (max) [10]
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Post by bundeez on Jan 28, 2019 17:22:12 GMT
+1
I've looked at Gunnbjorn several times now. The wall is also quite nice and the ranged rfp usefull currently, since BoH doesn't seem to cut it. Might be some hidden gold!
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Post by jarrow on Jan 29, 2019 5:55:27 GMT
Which Trollbloods don't currently have? "lists have to change": Yeah sure, but into what? With no new release in over a year now, it's difficult to adapt to the meta You don't need new releases to adapt meta change. You need to trash your old lists and start to look what your casters, beasts and units can do against popular opponents. But for me it seems that ATC troll players didn't think what they will face and played what they used to.
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Post by Trollock on Jan 29, 2019 6:58:50 GMT
As i am currently over on the dark side (circle) it is easy to criticise and not having to actually come up with solutions, but when i left trolls last spring, we were playing SotN champions all the time. Popular casters were kolgrimma, borka 2 and madrak 1.
The meta has changen a LOT since then. Not only do you have to face much more 5 wound infantry, but you have to face lists designed to face 5 wound infantry. Still the popular builds seemed to be the same basically. It seems unlikely that what was made to fight nemo 3 or 10 slayers will do as well in to primal terrors or wot not.
Add the fact that many of the high profile skilled players that championed trolls last year (no not me lol) are currently working on other factions. Well prepared skilled players who focused on trolls would probably do ok with then still, but if the majority of the troll players at the ATC were ppl who looked to those high profiled players for inspiration and got none for six months, the of course the results will not be top notch.
The faction is probably sitting comfortably in the bottom half of the competitive spectrum like it almost always has, which means that skilled determined players can win cons with it, but moderately skilled players will be in the bottom half. Im not trying to say that every troll at the ATC sucks, but it seems none of them managed to crack the code of the meta this time.
Even if a CID would be nice, that is basically to make KC playable, and possibly to make runeshapers a reasonable choice for PoD, not to buff champions and bears. Those are good enough if applied properly. What the faction needs is innovation, using the things we have to their full potential!
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