jarrow
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Post by jarrow on Jan 16, 2019 10:27:03 GMT
ATC2019 list are on conflict chamber: conflictchamber.com/?event=651Trolls are falling behind on players and there is huge correlation between cid-order and played factions and we are second last on that count. Borka2 and kolgrima still going strong but not as pair anymore. But do we have answers to top3 list pairs? Circle: Tharn+bones Skorne: Animantrax+Immortals Menoth: H-Reclaimer (judicators)+Harbinger (Exemplar or Idrian/paladin)
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Post by allinontrolls on Jan 16, 2019 15:29:14 GMT
Perhaps a band of heroes list could be an option for us. If our Mortality caster would be better in boh we would have a really good meta caster.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Jan 16, 2019 20:47:39 GMT
Perhaps a band of heroes list could be an option for us. If our Mortality caster would be better in boh we would have a really good meta caster. Madrak 1 is the best warlock for Band and Grissel 2 or Madrak 2 are second depending on whether you emphasize Champs or Fenns. Grissel 1 is not bad in Band and that way you can combine Calamity with not-Takedown to get most of the same effects.
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Post by emb on Jan 17, 2019 2:14:41 GMT
Man, I said that in the Top/bottom caster thread that I thought Calandra was lacking and yet here she is tied with Madrak1 for entries. Other than that, no surprises, really.
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Post by allinontrolls on Jan 17, 2019 6:08:50 GMT
It s more about the no healing aspect of Mortality. In my opinion gw is really good and necessary to handle a lot of matchups at best combined with a anti shooting caster.
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jarrow
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Post by jarrow on Jan 17, 2019 6:11:13 GMT
Man, I said that in the Top/bottom caster thread that I thought Calandra was lacking and yet here she is tied with Madrak1 for entries. Other than that, no surprises, really. Calandra is really good against melee infantry as they can't boost to-hit. Fits nicely to current meta
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whydak
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Post by whydak on Jan 17, 2019 9:08:57 GMT
Man, I said that in the Top/bottom caster thread that I thought Calandra was lacking and yet here she is tied with Madrak1 for entries. Other than that, no surprises, really. Calandra is really good against melee infantry as they can't boost to-hit. Fits nicely to current meta
Except of Tharns who can boost, legion ogruns with crazy mat and most played caster in Legion has dark guidance, and Vlad 2
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Post by mydnight on Jan 17, 2019 9:47:08 GMT
Calandra is really good against melee infantry as they can't boost to-hit. Fits nicely to current meta
Except of Tharns who can boost, legion ogruns with crazy mat and most played caster in Legion has dark guidance, and Vlad 2
Yeah defence skew seems weak currently. Grim1 and ColdGrandma seem much better into heavy melee infantry.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Jan 17, 2019 15:30:36 GMT
To be honest, looking at these lists, I can't help but feel like the Trollblood players just don't take ATC seriously. It was the same last year; there just seems to be something about this event in particular. I know that we are more willing to innovate than any other faction's player base and that really is one of the bigger reasons why I main this faction, but these look like some pretty basic mistakes... I see a list that could have taken a Chef but is 1 point short, Northkin with no Bears, KSB with no Elder at all... I guess Doomy 3 can hope to dodge his bad matchups, but does he really gain more in his good ones? When Cygnar is struggling and Ret is not playing Rhan? And yeah, Calandra has her draws but what is she going to do here that Madrak 1 can't do better? Befuddle battle engines? Davis Bailey has Kolgrima with a Gobber Tinker and nothing that can be repaired; the battle engines are in the other list, where Grim has Swamp Gobbers, so maybe those are just switched by mistake.
Then again, I'm also not sure why Felix is playing Tim Banky's Borka 2 in POD when I thought the meta had shifted away from that. So maybe I'm missing something. It's also a very small sample size, so I probably shouldn't worry too much about any particular indicators.
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bundeez
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Post by bundeez on Jan 17, 2019 16:19:19 GMT
Yeah nothing surprising at all. Yawn.. The PoD Doomy3 list is gonna lose on scenario sooo fast, haha Curious how the "mud slide" Calandra PoD Seaking list will perform, but the rest is fairly standard. The 4 huge base list with only 3 huge bases (and GK instead of SK) is a little weird to me, I would assume the 4th one is quite critical to the lists performance. Anyway, gogo Trollbloods!
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Post by LoS Jaden on Jan 17, 2019 18:04:34 GMT
Another interesting note - most of the players who were championing trolls last year have changed factions.
I was seriously debating Trolls for ATC this year and decided not to because of transportation issues and lack of painting time. I was going to pair the Grim 1 huge base list with Madrak 2 BoH and my team thought that was a very good pairing to add to our team.
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Post by allinontrolls on Jan 17, 2019 18:06:18 GMT
Hi jaden,
What is the main idea for madrak2 boh?
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Post by LoS Jaden on Jan 17, 2019 18:09:02 GMT
The main idea here is that double tuffalos with overtake and berserk and weaponmaster are pretty darn good into medium bases, and also reasonably resilient to guns. Ignoring tough is huge against Tharn, PT, etc, and the list is just a little bit faster than those.
I also play a unit of Fenns to alpha, get eaten, and then let the tuffalos follow up.
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snot
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Post by snot on Jan 17, 2019 19:42:32 GMT
My bet is that grizzly 1 is comin back in boh like a boss!
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Jan 17, 2019 20:00:10 GMT
The main idea here is that double tuffalos with overtake and berserk and weaponmaster are pretty darn good into medium bases, and also reasonably resilient to guns. Ignoring tough is huge against Tharn, PT, etc, and the list is just a little bit faster than those. I also play a unit of Fenns to alpha, get eaten, and then let the tuffalos follow up. How about this? I'm thinking the Champs are the last wave in this context, and hopefully, they and Madrak can run the board (or what's left of it) by then. conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0a4Xjn9Djq6G6M0l0miTbK0b0c6mTrollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Band of Heroes [Madrak 2] Madrak Ironhide, World Ender [+28] - Dire Troll Brawler [16] - Dire Troll Mauler [15] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Fell Caller Hero [0(5)] Stone Scribe Chronicler [4] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Stone Scribe Elder [3] Trollkin Champions (max) [16] - Skaldi Bonehammer [0(5)] Trollkin Fennblades (max) [15] - Trollkin Fennblade Officer & Drummer [5] Trollkin Long Riders (max) [20] Maybe keeping the model count fairly low makes the feat turn easier on the clock?
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